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Ok...so firstly @ Danny hope this isn't disrespectful to a sponsor as it is meant in the correct tone!

@BG...Surely as a sponsor and hearing the voices of all the lads on the forum not to mention all the lads up and down the country on sites and peoples homes...

Were not paranoid...and despite the reputation were not all thick...

We appreciate that you have the market share and we also appreciate that your competitor don't appear to have a marketing department....

however can you please give us an honest explanation of your finishing products change in performance...

Look we are going to buy it regardless we have no choice but do you know what just a little respect for us guys who graft every day and supply our customers your products would be very much appreciated...

No lies no corporate bull just a bit of basic info...

Thanks in advance

Zombie
 
hopefully hear something from them but doubt they say **** all, like you said we are all gona buy it regardless
 
Its a government conspiracy!! There trying to do away with plaster so they can throw everything up with tape n joint!! Oh hang on that already happened :RpS_lol:
 
Sorry @zombie i hadn't seen this thread and just had a mini rant on another myself... Couldn't agree more with you though [emoji106]lets see if we can at least get fobbed off with a generic response. It'd at least show that there aware
 
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zombie said:
Ok...so firstly @ Danny hope this isn't disrespectful to a sponsor as it is meant in the correct tone!

@BG...Surely as a sponsor and hearing the voices of all the lads on the forum not to mention all the lads up and down the country on sites and peoples homes...

Were not paranoid...and despite the reputation were not all thick...

We appreciate that you have the market share and we also appreciate that your competitor don't appear to have a marketing department....

however can you please give us an honest explanation of your finishing products change in performance...

Look we are going to buy it regardless we have no choice but do you know what just a little respect for us guys who graft every day and supply our customers your products would be very much appreciated...

No lies no corporate bull just a bit of basic info...

Thanks in advance

Zombie
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What's the problem? It's simple, I've just re-read your post and your on about he performs for plaster, which one and what's the problem? There are a number of things that the user of the product can do to change the performance of a plaster from storage to final trowel, I can't be arsed going through all the problems that can happen by making simple mistakes in plastering so I'm asking what in particular are you asking?
 
flynnyman said:
What's the problem? It's simple, I've just re-read your post and your on about he performs for plaster, which one and what's the problem? There are a number of things that the user of the product can do to change the performance of a plaster from storage to final trowel, I can't be arsed going through all the problems that can happen by making simple mistakes in plastering so I'm asking what in particular are you asking?
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forget it mate...if the thread is of no interest to you then fair doos...I think that the majority of people realise what im asking BG...

got enough on trying to get a response from BG with out having to have an argument with you...clearly your exempt from having problems with there products at the minute...
 
flynnyman said:
What's the problem? It's simple, I've just re-read your post and your on about he performs for plaster, which one and what's the problem? There are a number of things that the user of the product can do to change the performance of a plaster from storage to final trowel, I can't be arsed going through all the problems that can happen by making simple mistakes in plastering so I'm asking what in particular are you asking?
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Hes not asking you, he's asking BG. I've been doing this job for a living for nearly 30 yrs plus giving my dad a hand on jobs since I was a kid. The quality of the multi is appaling, havnt tried board to be honest. Knauff when you get used to it is so much better so why can't BG sort their quality problems out ? They don't even bother looking at this forum anyway
 
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Wooooooooooooo don't be a baby I asked a simple question if you want a debate your gonna have to answer basic questions xx
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I actualy don't want nor asking for a debate with you...

I also don't need patronising about how to store plaster nor adapt my work to suit how the plaster is reacting thankfully after 20yrs Ive just about sussed that....

Id like some feedback from BG and my thread is directed @BG on behalf of myself and many other people expressing the same concerns...
 
If your getting tiger marks it's your problem they are easy enough to get out stop looking to blame the plaster, you can't miss me out of the debate I am entitled to have a voice. I've used board a few weeks ago coz it was on the job and it's **** so I changed back to multie and never had a problem. It is of an interest to me that's why I'm asking. The majority don't know what your asking coz you never really asked anything specific which is the point I'm making, what's your problem oh and if you want to contact BG might be worth typing @BritishGypsum xxx calm down.
 
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Unless I'm mistaken, your asking bg why their plaster can change. The answer to your question could have something to do with the materials in the plaster, various chemicals and other materials along with natural gypsum. The natural gypsum is not something that can be controlled and surely this is what can lead to the slight differences in the product.

Pretty sure other manufacturers do not use natural gypsum and this should lead to a more standard product.

By the way not got a clue if this is right but it's how I explain it to myself and I'm not bitter anymore
 
I am using board finish day in day out no problems at all when I used a random bag of multi found it great to use .
 
Exactly and like I said so many things can change the way it goes and I'm gonna list them because this debate can go on and on.
1) badly stored
2) the weather
3) the background
4) over mixing
5) the user
6) temperature of the water (personal opinion)
7) type of water (personal opinion going off brews I've had in different areas)
8) type of trowel used
9) lack of skill (number five probably covers this)
10) tool used to mix it
Now there's 10 things that will cause problems and are usually the problem coz I rarely get a problem skimming, it's not rocket science, it's probably the easiest part of plastering. Like what's been said in here many many times before if all you can do is skim and you never stepped foot in a college your not classed as a plasterer or atleast a full plasterer, your lets say a bit player and when something goes wrong your looking to blame the gear or the tools and we all know the saying. If you wasn't taught about materials and backgrounds your not gonna understand or be able to work out a problem when it happens or see the problem before it happens.
 
flynnyman said:
Exactly and like I said so many things can change the way it goes and I'm gonna list them because this debate can go on and on.
1) badly stored
2) the weather
3) the background
4) over mixing
5) the user
6) temperature of the water (personal opinion)
7) type of water (personal opinion going off brews I've had in different areas)
8) type of trowel used
9) lack of skill (number five probably covers this)
10) tool used to mix it
Now there's 10 things that will cause problems and are usually the problem coz I rarely get a problem skimming, it's not rocket science, it's probably the easiest part of plastering. Like what's been said in here many many times before if all you can do is skim and you never stepped foot in a college your not classed as a plasterer or atleast a full plasterer, your lets say a bit player and when something goes wrong your looking to blame the gear or the tools and we all know the saying. If you wasn't taught about materials and backgrounds your not gonna understand or be able to work out a problem when it happens or see the problem before it happens.
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If you wasn't taught...................that grammar is appallingly for a moderator.

We can't have debate with poor gramma
 
flynnyman said:
Exactly and like I said so many things can change the way it goes and I'm gonna list them because this debate can go on and on.
1) badly stored
2) the weather
3) the background
4) over mixing
5) the user
6) temperature of the water (personal opinion)
7) type of water (personal opinion going off brews I've had in different areas)
8) type of trowel used
9) lack of skill (number five probably covers this)
10) tool used to mix it
Now there's 10 things that will cause problems and are usually the problem coz I rarely get a problem skimming, it's not rocket science, it's probably the easiest part of plastering. Like what's been said in here many many times before if all you can do is skim and you never stepped foot in a college your not classed as a plasterer or atleast a full plasterer, your lets say a bit player and when something goes wrong your looking to blame the gear or the tools and we all know the saying. If you wasn't taught about materials and backgrounds your not gonna understand or be able to work out a problem when it happens or see the problem before it happens.
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with all these things considered it does still not take into account why for me starting in 1986 having no problem with skimming finishes up until 4 or 5 years ago when the multi started to go shite leaving tiger stripes or what ever there called, so changed to using board finish more . Problem solved for a while and now low and behold board has gone the same way . We cant all be getting it wrong after years of skimming on many different back grounds .Something has changed and i am pretty sure its not me. As for a good finish.... well that is down to the individual and his excepted standard, i understand that some spreads would not know a good finish from there arse but when you have always taken pride in your work it can be a downer to go back and see your work painted and the sun on it to show marks that went there when you finished.But as you say perhaps we are are all just bad spreads looking for something to blame.
 
I had heard that they bhad moved there operations to china a while ago, so it's not actually british gypsum, it's chinese gypsum, I'm just sayin what I heard.:huh:
 
Obviously over the years the mine has got deeper so maybe we are getting the dregs at the bottom lol I also heard gypsum is running out so they are adding a man made gypsum or atleast topping it up. Maybe the sun is a lot brighter in some areas you never know ;)
 
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with all these things considered it does still not take into account why for me starting in 1986 having no problem with skimming finishes up until 4 or 5 years ago when the multi started to go shite leaving tiger stripes or what ever there called, so changed to using board finish more . Problem solved for a while and now low and behold board has gone the same way . We cant all be getting it wrong after years of skimming on many different back grounds .Something has changed and i am pretty sure its not me. As for a good finish.... well that is down to the individual and his excepted standard, i understand that some spreads would not know a good finish from there arse but when you have always taken pride in your work it can be a downer to go back and see your work painted and the sun on it to show marks that went there when you finished.But as you say perhaps we are are all just bad spreads looking for something to blame.
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I agree but things have changed over the years, we are now skimming the opposite sides of the boards, PVA will be different this could also contribute to it, then you have pregrits that weren't about years ago. I recon water is different from way it was years ago as in what is used to filter and clean it. We were on the stick and podger, were as now we are mechanically mixing, we are using less water now In my opinion to finish walls, this could contribute and the prices are shite so most on site are rushing. The standard of work on site and tradesmen is shocking so this is a massive factor but good to have the debate about it.
 
I agree with all your points but hear say and guess work is one thing technical information is another and that is what is being asked for . I in my time like many others on here have see both sides of what you have stated, transending from the old ways to the new but this for me this is a very recent problem and as i said in my opinion it started with muliti and now seems to be board and it is only seem to happen when skimming boards where no prep is required . IF there are out side influences that are causing issues then GYPSUM should be listening to us and trying to rectify things or at least offer some sort of explanation .
 
@flynnyman I agree with what you say to an extent,I can get a nice even finish every time just the last few weeks it has been a harder to get the desired finish,it may be coincidence that a number of other chaps on here have said the same and it has been since the bags have been advertising uni(also maybe coincidence)I think a lot of the lads want bg to get involved a little on this site and maybe help us out with a little info here and there to keep us in the loop,it would go a long way.we maybe asking to much but it's worth a try.:RpS_thumbup:
 
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nearly every batch of the stuff is different, using a batch with a different date you have to acclimatise yourself to using it, and make changes accordingly, it's called plastering.
 
Maybe the unifinish is being used in the multi to test It even further, who has got the balls to try and skim a wall with no Pva to test my theory :) also maybe it's something to do with the plasterboards because most plasterboards are used from recycled plasterboards, sounds mad but have you tried skimming a boarded wall that has been up a year?
 
I'm sure it's nothing the speedskim super flex eze spat grey eze spat blue plastic trowel with a light sponging can't sort out

Also I bet bg never give an acceptable answer. If one atall
 
flynnyman said:
Obviously over the years the mine has got deeper so maybe we are getting the dregs at the bottom lol I also heard gypsum is running out so they are adding a man made gypsum or atleast topping it up. Maybe the sun is a lot brighter in some areas you never know ;)
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The mine is at a fairly constant depth gypsum sits in a seam about 8ft thick approx 100m below the surface,
From what I understand the mine at east leake has enough gypsum left for about another 20years before the whole mining operation moves to a new site (Yorkshire I think).
The mine are required to send material to the surface with a minimum percentage of gypsum in.
They obviously use the highest quality gypsum for dental, casting and even for the brewery's as most ale has gypsum in.
This leaves a lower quality gypsum for the rest of the range obviously there is a tolerance for the quality of the gypsum used in finish, I suspect the closer they get to the lowest acceptable level the tolerance allows, the worse the finish becomes just used a pallet of multi that was almost like clay sticky, greasy then it flash set, pallet before was a dream to use.
Everything was constant background, the application, number of trowels the water came from the same tap, temperature was the same, boards came off the same wagon and went straight in the plot's.
The only thing that was inconsistent was the multi (the bag dates were the same) the plant batch multi in quite small amounts about 4 tonne at a time so your not guaranteed that the top of the pallet will be the same as the bottom as they may came from different batches.
 
Hasn't been as noticeable until recently impossible to have same gear in every bag but other plasterers I know have had funny sets had a look on here seems it ain't just a few spreads who have noticed it, if they are trying something new with it shouldn't be a problem with letting us know coz we all buy the stuff
 
No point badgering BG .... there not bothered and lets face it the **** batches aren't gonna be recalled and there not going to test anything - they'll keep shipping it out to merchants and its us that suffer .

BG couldn't find there arse with both hands .... pity Knauf employ clowns as distribution and B2B managers .... if there was ever an opportunity its now but seems to hard to get a product into merchants or b& q / wickes .... :rolleyes)
 
Hi all,

We’ve read through the thread and wanted to let you know that we’re on it. We’ve taken your messages on board and are looking at this.

In terms of our finishing products, occasionally there will be variations as it’s an organic product and, as a few people have mentioned, there’s loads of different things that might cause a change. We do have a lot of quality control checks in place, but if you have specific questions or issues we want to know what they are so our technical team can speak to you about it and we’ll do our best to help - @zombie if you'd like to PM us your number we can chat through any specific issues?
We really welcome feedback from the people using our products and want you to get the best from it too.

In response to your earlier questions RE our mine and UK operations, we are still fully operating in the UK and our mines are far from running low on Gypsum (don’t get us wrong, we would love a holiday in China though)!
 
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