Artex nightmare

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blueade7

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Hi,

I am not a plasterer, but looking for advice.

I arranged for a plasterer to come to skim over all the artex walls in my hall, stairs & landing.
He started by removing the coving. Then he applied a blue grit bonding agent. Then he noticed that the artex was loose in places and started scraping away these loose bits. After he scraped away a section about 1m squared he said that too much of it is too loose and he wasn't comfortable skimming over it for fear of the plaster coming down along with the artex at some later date. Fair enough.

He also said he wasn't willing to scrape it all off, seeing as it is a big area, and that the artex may contain asbestos. He wanted me to get it tested for asbestos first. So I did, and the result came back positive for chrysolite (white asbestos). So he's not willing to do the job. Fair enough.

He's recommended either a) getting a specialist asbestos removal company in to stip the walls, or b) getting an artexer in to apply a new artex coat!

Option a): I got a quote. £3000. They were good about it and said that the asbestos content is small in artex and is of the least dangerous type, and that there's no significant risk to us as the wall currently is, but even so that we should get it sorted as soon as possible.

Option b): I really don't want to re-artex but if it's the only option beyond forking out £3000 on getting the current stuff removed, then so be it. But I don't really understand why artex on top of peeling artex would be any better plaster on top of artex. The plasterer said it would be ok as, unlike with plastering, there's no water involved.

Just leaving as is isn't an option as it's a mess (some areas covered with the bonding agent, some areas scraped away).

Questions for you:
Anyone with experience of this kind of dilemma? Any standard practice?
Can anyone confirm whether or not option b) would work? Would the artex still peel away?
Can anyone suggest another option?

There was a large section (about 1 m squared) he scraped away - see photo below - but most of the edge of this section seems now to me to be quite firm. Most of the loose stuff was at the top where he'd removed the coving. I wonder whether, rightly or wrongly, a different plasterer would have continued, just scraping away the worst sections. Behind the artex layer there is a lime render (I think that's what he called it) that seems stable (see photo below of edge of artex layer with lime render below).

Thanks in advance for any help.

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Hello

I’d plasterboard the ceilings.

As far as the walls go I’d scrape off what’s loose and skim over the lot with bonding mixed in first coat.

I think he realised it was more work than he thought and maybe couldn’t fit it in/lost the will to do it.

It’s going to be more money than he originally quoted but you’ve probably realised that.
 
It's not just the artex that's been removed but the finishing coat as well. Usually if the artex fails during preparation it comes off on it's own. It could be that the finishing coat was also loose but you wouldn't expect all the walls to have the same problem. It could be he scraped that bit off to "prove" the artex was dodgy so he could dump the job, although that's just the old cynic in me.
 
I was just typing when@paulf answered you he has more or less took the words out of my mouth
 
In many ways the customer has got off lightly, apart from the delay it was never gonna be pretty
 
If the plaster is coming away from wall as it shows in picture then the plasterer is right and you could have problems in the future. I’d get a decent mask and make sure all loose bits are off then float out and skim. You’ll just have to keep your fingers crossed it’s all ok
 
Thanks for the responses. I'm going to scrape off the worst of it then get another plasterer in. This one seemed more worried about the asbestos in the artex than others I spoke to. I think that was his main concern, and why he fled. He did have a mask though.

Wish I hadn't asked him to take the coving down... that's why it started coming off. Wxpect job would be done by now if I hadn't.
 
If the plaster is coming away from wall as it shows in picture then the plasterer is right and you could have problems in the future. I’d get a decent mask and make sure all loose bits are off then float out and skim. You’ll just have to keep your fingers crossed it’s all ok

Yeah its coming down in places, following the coving removal. But he was scraping at it pretty hard. And it seems reasonably solid for the most part... perhaps just a problem towards the top. It's held up since the 1970s after all.
 
Yeah its coming down in places, following the coving removal. But he was scraping at it pretty hard. And it seems reasonably solid for the most part... perhaps just a problem towards the top. It's held up since the 1970s after all.
It’s the risk you take. If you do go over it and it comes off sooner rather than later then it’ll be on you and not the plasterer that done it.
 
I've had a couple of other plasterers round and they are both happy to procede - they don't think the artex has blown, apart from the odd section towards the top.

The artex on the walls is ridged, and these ridges are all quite raised.
One of the plasterers wants to scrape all ridges off the artex to get it flat - this would be a lot of scraping - insists its necessary to do the job properly. The other wants to skim straight over the top - insists scraping peaks off is unnecessary and creates (potentially asbestos containing) dust.
The ceiling are spirals - not as proud so barely any scraping required.

One says they will just PVA. The other says they'l use Febond blue grit.

So could I please ask your advice again...
Is scraping the ridges off on the walls necessary?
Is blue grit better than PVA, given there's a slight concern over the stability of the artex?
 
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I've had a couple of other plasterers round and they are both happy to procede - they don't think the artex has blown, apart from the odd section towards the top.

The artex is ridged, and these ridges are quite raised.
One of the plasteres wants to scrape all peaks off the artex - insists its necessary to do the job properly. The other wants to skim straight over the top - insists scraping peaks off is unnecessary and creates (potentially asbestos containing) dust.

One says they will just PVA. The other says they'l use Febond blue grit.

So could I please ask your advice again...
Is scraping the peaks off necessary?
Is blue grit better than PVA, given there's a slight concern over the stability of the artex?
If it's got foot traffic above it's risky long term you want the thinnest tightest skim PVA wet coat wy help , personally no experience of grit
 
If it's got foot traffic above it's risky long term you want the thinnest tightest skim PVA wet coat wy help , personally no experience of grit
OK, thanks. Should have mentioned it's just the walls that have the ridges. The ceiling is spirals so already quite flat and so not much to scrape.
 
OK, thanks. Should have mentioned it's just the walls that have the ridges. The ceiling is spirals so already quite flat and so not much to scrape.
Personally I scrape , the high points determine how flat you can get it , so much of the walls don't need it if you're wanting it properly flat, theirs no hard and fast rules , got skirtings, coving lips and architrave to consider
 
Really I’d just say this is down to the preference of the plasterer.

I’d scrape anything particularly high but mainly I’d just go over it.

Cons of Pre grit is that you bash it on all over and the next day it’s just skim and go. It also gives different backgrounds the same suction. Strong bond.

Pva hangs on artex which is annoying for the spread but will still do the job.

Either method suggested is fine really
 
A benefit I can see with scraping is that by disrupting the artex slightly then perhaps you're more likely to detect any more sections where the artex has blown...? Which just skimming over the top you may miss.
 
...on the other hand, I'm a bit unnerved by the fact the guys who want to scrape it off say they'll be coming with face masks and disposable overalls!!
 
A benefit I can see with scraping is that by disrupting the artex slightly then perhaps you're more likely to detect any more sections where the artex has blown...? Which just skimming over the top you may miss.
If it's not all coming off then it's a bodge job so what ever route you take is a chance . I take it your two new spreads have inspected it all over and are happy to proceed , so whatever deal you do is your risk , I assume their quotes allow for potential delamination and repair so leave them to it
 
...on the other hand, I'm a bit unnerved by the fact the guys who want to scrape it off say they'll be coming with face masks and disposable overalls!!
Didn't see this post on my last reply
That's their call
 
If it's not all coming off then it's a bodge job so what ever route you take is a chance . I take it your two new spreads have inspected it all over and are happy to proceed , so whatever deal you do is your risk , I assume their quotes allow for potential delamination and repair so leave them to it
I catch your drift. Thanks for the advice.
 
You could hire a wet vacuum cleaner and do your carpets after they have finished for peace of mind
 
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