bonding artex

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how much more do you guys take for bonding a ceiling over artex seeing as its going to take more time and could be the difference of doing one ceiling a day than two?
 
It takes twice as long so its twice the amount.

If they pull their face, just ask them if they fancy going in work an extra day for free?
 
Bonding a ceiling out doesn't take twice as long as just skimming it. When you skim a ceiling the bit that takes the time is troweling it up. The only time bonding a ceiling out takes much time is if you are ruling it out to straighten a badly shaped ceiling, when you are just flashing a coat over to get over Artex it's a very quick process.
 
the time you lay it up and let it dry I would say it takes twice as long. If its a 25m2 ceiling you would skim that in half a day, if you had to bond it out then skim it it would take 4 hours to lay it up and for it to go off etc so I think yes it does take twice as long
 
why are you bonding the ceiling first?i`ve allways scraped off artex,then skimmed.the more weight your putting on the ceiling or wall,the more chance you`ve got of cracking or the plasterer coming away in the future.scrapping it is more messy but a better job.
 
Unless it's a really really heavy pattern there's no need at all to use bonding.

If it's a laced pattern no need for scraping :)
On standard patterns like stipple, swirl, broken leather etc.. you can just scrape the high points off then dust off with a sweeping brush, pva twice, then thick 1st coat put it on leave it then flatten when firmed up, then 2nd coat.
(don't play with 1st coat & don't 2nd coat until 1st coat has firmed up or the pattern will show through)

And you can still charge em 2days if you want ;D
Oh & don't forget to watch out for that nasty asbestos.(get it tested)



(think I've said all of this about 10 times before)
 
Nisus said:
Unless it's a really really heavy pattern there's no need at all to use bonding.

If it's a laced pattern no need for scraping :)
On standard patterns like stipple, swirl, broken leather etc.. you can just scrape the high points off then dust off with a sweeping brush, pva twice, then thick 1st coat put it on leave it then flatten when firmed up, then 2nd coat.
(don't play with 1st coat & don't 2nd coat until 1st coat has firmed up or the pattern will show through)

And you can still charge em 2days if you want ;D
Oh & don't forget to watch out for that nasty asbestos.(get it tested)



(think I've said all of this about 10 times before)
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spot on mate. ;)
 
Personally if it needs bonding I'd board it instead matey. With a senco I can board an average 12 by 12 ceiling in an hour to an hour and half, so what it costs extra in boards you save in time.
 
nelly said:
Personally if it needs bonding I'd board it instead matey. With a senco I can board an average 12 by 12 ceiling in an hour to an hour and half, so what it costs extra in boards you save in time.
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whats a senco Nelly? Is it a large board lift?
 
richardbrown said:
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this always happens ..... why dont people answer the question?
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Well I've answered it!
He said how much do you charge to bond a ceiling as it'll take 2 days.
Well I don't charge to bond a ceiling as there's no need so won't take any longer than half a day ;)
There's the answer kidda ;D


(can't believe people ask such stupid questions on here) ;D
 
PhilPlaster said:
Thanks Nelly ,you said that without moving yer lips ;D
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Nisus said:
Well I've answered it!
He said how much do you charge to bond a ceiling as it'll take 2 days.
Well I don't charge to bond a ceiling as there's no need so won't take any longer than half a day ;)
There's the answer kidda ;D


(can't believe people ask such stupid questions on here) ;D
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No mate he said it could be the difference between doing 1 ceiling per day or two.


I dont see how you can bond and skim a ceiling in half a day when it takes 2 1/2 to 3 hours for the bonding to set?
 
nelly said:
Nisus said:
Well I've answered it!
He said how much do you charge to bond a ceiling as it'll take 2 days.
Well I don't charge to bond a ceiling as there's no need so won't take any longer than half a day ;)
There's the answer kidda ;D


(can't believe people ask such stupid questions on here) ;D
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No mate he said it could be the difference between doing 1 ceiling per day or two.


I dont see how you can bond and skim a ceiling in half a day when it takes 2 1/2 to 3 hours for the bonding to set?
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I think you read it wrong mate.
I never said you can bond & skim a ceiling in half a day.
What I meant was I don't charge to bond a ceiling because there's no need to bond a ceiling over artex
just skim it.
Therefore half a day was for skimming ceiling over artex including scraping it etc.

;)
 
The only trouble with scraping the ceilings is some times you miss a couple of high spots and it seems to go on for ever scraping em, the last 2 ceilings i did over artex i was literally on my final trowel and a huge section started moving and i had to scrap half the ceiling off as the artex underneath had not taken to the original ceiling or the water in the plaster softened it up, so my prefered choice would be to board it.
 
I agree bod I prefer to overboard on my own jobs.
But most the insurance work I do for a builder it's only down for patch & skim unless it's really bad.
You can never guarantee your own work on somebody elses prep like you say.
 
simplybesty said:
if your a real spread then you should know.
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The only reason I'm asking as i used to scrape it and apply two coats of multi ,but this asbestos (french word) is bugging me and i was thinking of bonding first .
Just seeing if its going to be cost effective as i think i could end up losing out in jobs doing this process.
So the answer to your question is No you don't have to be a real spread to know!
And i am timeserved, sat a skill test to get my ticket and work for myself its just a different technique to what i do.
 
Southside go on the HSE web site and search asbestos, then print of the bits you feel are relevent to the work you take on and give a copy to each potential client when you go to look at a job. Whether there is or isn't a real threat from asbestos you will still look more knowledgeable than most about any threats and come across as if you really care about your customers health as well as your own.
 
Yea good tip from essexandy...all you have to do is mention asbestos and your smell something funny in the room...then offer to either skim with few coats multi finish or overboard...my preference overboarding, tell them it will improve sound and fire protection and they will go for it...if they don't tell them that its better to do it your way then have some chancer come in with a scraper and cover the whole house and all their possesions in dust and asbestos poisening them, there pets and relatives lol

see which they go for

better to get a plasterer to do the job ;)
 
cause theres 3-4 ways to do it i explain each to the customer inc pros and cons and let them make there own f**k**g mind up
 
how many times has this thread been on this board?
didnt some muppet stick something in the newbie section specifically for this reason? :-\
 
surely its simple, tell them the options, with pros and cons, tell them the price and time for each job, all of which should be done in a day anyway. let them decide. like spunkster says!
 
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