building brick with bg hardwall

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SLIPPY

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ive been asked to block up a fire opening & then plaster it up.
i was thinking of building the concrete brick with hardwall simply because i want to complete this job in a day ???
??? ...... is it ok to do this . opinions please :) :)
 
Pug said:
remember to put an air brick in
the customer said they wanted the chimney blocked off , i was thinking about using an air brick but i think they want to do away with the function of the chimney .
Do i still need an air brick :-\ :) What happens if i dont use one :-\ thanks for your replies
 
What type of airbrick should i use ? what will look ok on an internal chimney breast after its skimmed and painted ?
 
leave a brick sized hole then after its skimmed go to b/q and get a stick on plastic vent.dont use an air brick it'll look s hit
 
Although I've not seen them myself, I've been told about an extension builder that builds the whole extension out of blocks with BG bonding :o
First thing put up block walls, wait a while then put on roof and then render the outside, all in one day. I'm assured that they do this on a regularly.
 
if anythin i would use dri-wall adesive its stronger done loads with it sets like concrete but suppose you could use hw and rake the joints back then rough it over it will all key together also airbrick empty voids like chimneys cause condensation
 
you need to vent any area that has no air flow otherwise that area will sweat and cause condensation and other damp problems, also you must think about air flow say maybe? ( gas installations ect) where air flow is very important. especially when double glazing has been installed. ??? Worth a thought.... ;)
 
Done the job today and left a hole the size of half a brick, put a plastic vent on and got payed then left the scene of the crime :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
 
Never heard so much crap in all my life , Andy if this guy is doing this on extensions why aint the building inspector picking up on this, i thought this forum was about giving good advice.
Lucius
 
as mentioned earlier with rain ingress etc...
if the flue is to decommisioned as a vent for hot smoke from a real fire it wants capping at the pot anyway.. one that allows airflow or ... see above ::)
chinamans hat style clay vented cowl for a 89 inch pot is around 30 quid tops from most builders merchants, sometimes you have to give em a day or two to get one from another depot then you just get on the roof and drop it in the pot where it'll sit happilly...
ive never know one get blown off yet, even when the storms have had half he ridges off etc..

dont, whatever you do, block the pot end completely or the condensation will cause havoc...
 
essexandy said:
Although I've not seen them myself, I've been told about an extension builder that builds the whole extension out of blocks with BG bonding :o
First thing put up block walls, wait a while then put on roof and then render the outside, all in one day. I'm assured that they do this on a regularly.
do you mean bonding coat plaster or the stuff they use to glue blocks together with? like a thinbed mortar.. spread it and rake it up with a notch trowel and use durox blocks or similar?
building inspector aint gonna pass anything done with bonding plaster ???
someones either getting mixed up or had one too many down the pub ::)
 
Chris W said:
essexandy said:
Although I've not seen them myself, I've been told about an extension builder that builds the whole extension out of blocks with BG bonding :o
First thing put up block walls, wait a while then put on roof and then render the outside, all in one day. I'm assured that they do this on a regularly.
do you mean bonding coat plaster or the stuff they use to glue blocks together with? like a thinbed mortar.. spread it and rake it up with a notch trowel and use durox blocks or similar?
building inspector aint gonna pass anything done with bonding plaster ???
someones either getting mixed up or had one too many down the pub ::)
I've only said what I was told by a chippy I've worked along side for years, every so often he come along and say "those rough b*stards did it again yesterday". He would be told to turn up in the afternoon to put on the roof trusses. The last extension I built the inspector came and checked the footings and then didn't come back until after the roof was finished , I could have built the place using peanut butter and he wouldn't have known. And as for bad advise I think there are plenty of others to moan at first before you start on me lucious. OH yeah I did mean carlite bonding Chris, but of course I'm not recommending it.
 
well all i can say to that is whoever using carlite bonding to lay both internal and external blockwork has got to be out of their nut..
a pallet of bonding as opposed to a ton of sand and 10 bags of opc?
i reckon ive heard it all now :o
 
Calm down Andy i wasnt dipping you out you only said what you had been told it was directed at the people who had actualy done it, be it only fire place openings or whatever.
Regards Lucius.
 
I dont see a problem with blocking up a fireplace using hardwall as a s/c replacement. its not structural your just using it to stick 5 blocks together to fill a hole then hardwall and skim over the surface.

What is the issue in doing that?

Maybe i am full of s**t , I have done it and sleep easy.

Rich
 
Ime never going to win this one Rich as ive seen it done many times on council work when working on scheduled rates, you only have to mix one material and it will do the whole job, makes life easy and will probably last a life time but it is not proper practice.
Lucius
 
seeing as this entire thread is about 'getting it done in a day'..
i cant see why people are thinking sand and cement to stick durox blocks together followed by hardwall half an hour later followed by a skim coat an hour after that cant be done? thats exactly what i do and the blocks dont fall over when i trowel the hardwall or skim on?
everybody knows durox suck like buggery so whats with the 'gotta use hardwall' thing all about?
chimneys/fireplaces are susceptible to moisture which will deteriorate hardwall but wont deteriorate sand and cement so who cares how long it takes to cure as long as it doesnt turn to mush if it gets damp?
last time i used a little bucket of premixed mortar from wickes? just add water? in a bucket? couldnt be arsed buying a bag of building sand and a bag of opc.. mornings work
i dont get it?
if its that much of a rush why not tack a duplex board to 4 bits of 2x2, gripfill it in the hole and one coat skim it... an hours work if you chuck a handful of cement in the skim..
 
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