city and guilds 6217-04

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HI guys
wonder what your thoughts are on this, i did a 2 week plastering course approx 8 months ago after that i worked with a guy at the weekends restoring his house at weekends for a while. ive been advertising and done a few jobs 4 people each customer happy. i was thinking maybe of doing a 6 week course city & guilds, what do you guys think of this course/qualification is it as well recognised as nvq?? would like to learn more and have a decent qualification to my name. any ideas where the best place to do this course would be, i live in stoke area. any advice appreciated.
 
I did the 6 week course at the building skills center in yeovil bout a year ago. Best thing i have done. Got my own business and doing ok in the currant climate. Best to try and get in with a spread when you finish the course though as still lots to learn in the big bad world!
 
Big Mart said:
I did the 6 week course at the building skills center in yeovil bout a year ago. Best thing i have done. Got my own business and doing ok in the currant climate. Best to try and get in with a spread when you finish the course though as still lots to learn in the big bad world!
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is there centre as good as it looks on the web site? how does the city & guilds compare to nvq?
 
Sorry mate i dont agree with those crappy 2 week course`s or 6 week course`s . How the hell can someone who has only done a fast track plastering course charge £100 a day or £80 a day . You need to be on site skimming day after day for at least 6months to be able to call yourself a skimmer . Iv`e got a lad spreading with me at the moment . He done one of those 19 week courses about 2yr`s ago , he thinks he know`s it all , their is a certain way to spread the plaster , ie , overlaping , My mate spreads in all F****** direction`s , trowel lines allover . So their is a example of what these course`s teach you after 19 week`s ( F**K ALL )
 
Its a top place mate. People from all over the country go there. When i was there we had people from scotland and ireland. Very good reputation and i recommend them. You can go on from there and do nvq.
 
Like i said, you need a spread to go with after the course. Also i suppose you need to want to do it to succeed. As for learning nothing as you put it, im doing great and earning more than 80-100 a day!

This is an issue thats caused much debate on here in the past. Its horses for courses some are dead against them some arnt. I for one had a good experience. I can only speak for what ive achieved and with the right motivation its a good way to start.
 
agree with big mart.my lad did a course with goldtowel last year before starting college plastering.he.s spreading like a good un and when not in college works with me.i can assure you that if your mate is as you say spreading it all over the place after 19 wk course an workin with you then wld tend to think not course fault but down to guidance he,s gettin or basically dosent give a fwack. if my lad was doing that never mind a mate he would be blown out .all would say is do you homework on course provider.the chances of newbees gettin apprentice ships is limited.so the only options open are courses.not like in seventys when loads plastering apprenticeships about.get yourself on the six wk city an guilds learn as much as you can.if the lad didnt have college i wld have no hesitation in sending him on the goldtrowel 6 wk cityguilds course.they no whats what and will teach you correct methods it then down to you how you apply yourself.gdl ;)
 
The actual theory of plastering is very simple, practise does make perfect.... I have worked with college goers and they have been shite but I have also seen the results of the 2 weekers and well the people who pay the thickend of a grand on training then another £1500 on tools they are the ones that want to be good.

Time served is great but is not always an option. I finished my NVQ in october doesnt mean s**t really, if your a rough spread with paper work you still aint gonna get agood reputation.

Good luck

Danny
 
Nice to have both quals that's what I got before coming to OZ. Make sure you get all the 15 Units under your belt for City and Guiilds. Contrary to what anyone else tells you. They definately helped me get here. Did the other bit of assessments for tra but that was a waste of time. Since being here in OZ I have been flat out with rendering. That's the way forward. What makes me laugh though many people think the're spreads but can't do external. No spread if you can't do it. Tha's my thought. I f you can only skim you have no chance out here.
 
It doesn't matter which course you go on, its down to you as an individual on how much you listen and take on board whilst attending. I have got a fair ammount of insight in this topic as I teach at college and also do a short 30 course. I have people on the short course producimg a better standard of work than some who have been trained for 2 1/2 days a week for 2 years. Only yesterday I had somebody who started in September telling me how to plaster LOL

As for the C&G course this might help if you are looking to emigrate or similar but unfortunately the C&G is not recognised towards the CSCS card if you intend to get on site. Having said that it will give you a far better understanding and insight into the knowledge required to undertake the full range of skills required if you wish to be a plasterer and you will get the time and place to practice and hoine your skills.
 
Gary the Spread said:
It doesn't matter which course you go on, its down to you as an individual on how much you listen and take on board whilst attending. I have got a fair ammount of insight in this topic as I teach at college and also do a short 30 course. I have people on the short course producimg a better standard of work than some who have been trained for 2 1/2 days a week for 2 years. Only yesterday I had somebody who started in September telling me how to plaster LOL

As for the C&G course this might help if you are looking to emigrate or similar but unfortunately the C&G is not recognised towards the CSCS card if you intend to get on site. Having said that it will give you a far better understanding and insight into the knowledge required to undertake the full range of skills required if you wish to be a plasterer and you will get the time and place to practice and hoine your skills.
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c&g is a recognised qual even more so than nvq and it is recognised by cscs.
 
They will only accept the C&G if you were an indentured apprentice. I was told that the C&G was no longer recognised so I phoned them up and this info came direct from them.
 
ive started doing my nvq2 ...apparently skim should be floated at 8mm ??........its all a load of b*ll***s why cant we just stick to seeing what peoples works like?
 
Gary the Spread said:
They will only accept the C&G if you were an indentured apprentice. I was told that the C&G was no longer recognised so I phoned them up and this info came direct from them.
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oh right gary i was indentured so was a bit confused no probs mate.
 
griff said:
Nice to have both quals that's what I got before coming to OZ. Make sure you get all the 15 Units under your belt for City and Guiilds. Contrary to what anyone else tells you. They definately helped me get here. Did the other bit of assessments for tra but that was a waste of time. Since being here in OZ I have been flat out with rendering. That's the way forward. What makes me laugh though many people think the're spreads but can't do external. No spread if you can't do it. Tha's my thought. I f you can only skim you have no chance out here.
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griff can you give us a bit more info mate .....were totally bling to what you lads are doing in aus, my ex labs an aussie and i tried getting it out of him but he was a gardener before he left .....is it premixed/bagged/mixed on site, do you use beads, do you day joint work with the heat, is it one/two coat etc .....all info appreciated mate
 
spunkybum said:
ive started doing my nvq2 ...apparently skim should be floated at 8mm ??........its all a load of b*ll***s why cant we just stick to seeing what peoples works like?
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wot? floated? 8mm? wot??????
i aint ever tried for a qual are you serious?
 
its an error mate but its the right answer...........its a load of b*ll***s
 
im gonna have to get me that nvq just so i can take the p'ss out of the bloke that comes to 'obtain a suitability of competence to carry out pretentious method statements issued by health and safety executives for the purpose of my wellbieng'
 
im getting my head around h+s we had a lad fall off a tower and hes shattered his hip so hes out of the game for a year at least ......its te jumped up laboureres asking us to put our hard hat on that gets me going ;D
but then i was working off a youngman board half on a tower half on a opening with no guard rail.........no nonsence from the site mananger but he had a pop when i sparked up a fag ?.......it's a joke every sites different
 
spunkybum said:
ive started doing my nvq2 ...apparently skim should be floated at 8mm ??........its all a load of b*ll***s why cant we just stick to seeing what peoples works like?
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Do they put it on the other way round or something in OZ.

Thank god I didnt learn at college to float and set.
 
best health and safety advice i ever got was 'dont tell em your name...'
 
G'day spunkybum. We one coat and 2 coat render work. Some times we fix beads but we also freehand which looks great if you give it the ashlar effect.
Start early and finish early, as you know from the news the heat is wicked at the moment. A lot of people on here ask questions when they are already answered from ages ago. Use the search engine. As for qualifications unfortunately I had to get them to come here. I would like to say again, my agent was spot on. I had NVQL2 Full Route in solid and 6217-04 in City and Guilds L1 with all the fifteen units to prove competence, I then had another assessment when I got here and it was p*** easy. To top it all, I aint comimng back either. G'day folks
 
griff were abouts in oz are you my mates a fixer in oz (sydney) and find much he also said a lot of the chinese or philapinoes are doing all the fixin and the plastering, is it price work? i am applyin and im gonna go to sydney first but want to travel whats the crack with the recesion over there? cheers mate
 
No recession here in Brisbane. Have also worked in Adelaide but back here now. Won't work with anyone else except brits. Better money, if you come out here try and have some money under your belt, less stress in choosing a property when you can rent short term weekly basis. some people tend to buy the first property that they like then realise there's a better one 200 yrds down the road by the beach. Have got to know many spreads out here and they are canning it at the mo.
 
Had a lazy day, friends round and hung one out, day off today just chilling. Work tues through to sat rendering. Will send some pics when had film developed. Have a gud un.
 
do it mate would be well interesting ;)........off to bed im fooked havent had a day off for two weeks .....the stars started appearing today :-\.......remember how boring skimming board can be ;D
 
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