CRACKS!!!!

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just been to see a job double size living room,all the walls are like spider web cracks every were and walls sound very blowen ALL over . looks like its about 10mill of sand and cement as backing coat very old was hide under paper. basically needs hacking off (easy job) and dabbing out or backing out. customer dint like the sound (cost) of doing that and has ask can we just skim it? i said i have done the odd wall like this with no come backs but what else can you do? i said its adding extra weight and has a very good chance of cracking!
 
Dont do it mate. I had walls in a house for a builder that were shot to bits a few weeks ago and he said just go over em. I walked out mate.
 
its one of them mate, you can either be stubborn and say no im not doing it unless you do it right or you can agree to do it with the understanding that if anything goes wrong you'll put it right but it will cost them. depends if you want to turn the work down or not.
 
if its blown. like you said is the only way. if jst cracked through movement. then u could use that 1m wide fiber tape stuf they use for externel . uniband walls. staple the stuf up covering the walls. tight coat of bonding coat spatular/trowel finnish. then skim. But if they insist on just skimmin. tell them that it will crack again, so you will do it but wont guarentee it will stay on, leave it up to them. thats wat i would do anyways. gud luck
 
i no mate,been doing this a long long time..but some customers dont listen to ur advise and want the cheapest option.
In this climate i dont argue and give it them nowdays.but with no gurantee like i say
 
F*ckin skim it :)

Tell them you have offered your opinion but will do what they instruct ,but if it re-cracks they cant complain.
 
skimmin2day said:
i no mate,been doing this a long long time..but some customers dont listen to ur advise and want the cheapest option.
In this climate i dont argue and give it them nowdays.but with no gurantee like i say
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Amen to that.

Its natural for people to think your being at it!

They was just talking to Karen and Jeff at work today who had a reskim and its perfect so they think every job is like that.

Put a load of sellotape over the cracks and skim the f*cker! :)
 
skimmin2day said:
i no mate,been doing this a long long time..but some customers dont listen to ur advise and want the cheapest option.
In this climate i dont argue and give it them nowdays.but with no gurantee like i say
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you would think you would know not to use hardwall....................bonding maybe :)
 
id use whatever was in the van and wouldnt give a toss if they dont listen to my advise flynny.


Thing is if you took ur car into a garage with squeeling breaks and the mechanic said it needs new discs as there knackered beceuse ur pads wore them down u could just put new pads in to save money now but your new pads will be knackered in a few months .youd listen to the advise and get the work done.
but in this game everyone thinks they now better when they no f**k all.
It makes you mad..
 
yeah done it loads on old victorian houses, if you catch it right you can stick it in your second pva coat, kills suction too.
 
merlin said:
skim it with weber mesh embedded in first coat mate.
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like i previously said. ive done this plenty of times around chimney breast for customers that have had repeated problems with cracking even after havin it replasted. my method to date has reframed from cracking
 
merlin said:
yeah done it loads on old victorian houses, if you catch it right you can stick it in your second pva coat, kills suction too.
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Any problems with it showing thruogh at all?

Thats all I'd be concerned with.
 
nelly said:
merlin said:
yeah done it loads on old victorian houses, if you catch it right you can stick it in your second pva coat, kills suction too.
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Any problems with it showing thruogh at all?

Thats all I'd be concerned with.
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no, long as you make sure its well in first coat!
 
merlin said:
nelly said:
merlin said:
yeah done it loads on old victorian houses, if you catch it right you can stick it in your second pva coat, kills suction too.
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Any problems with it showing thruogh at all?

Thats all I'd be concerned with.
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no, long as you make sure its well in first coat!
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How much does it cost then?
 
flynnyman said:
skimmin2day said:
i no mate,been doing this a long long time..but some customers dont listen to ur advise and want the cheapest option.
In this climate i dont argue and give it them nowdays.but with no gurantee like i say
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you would think you would know not to use hardwall....................bonding maybe :)
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100% with flynny. u cant go over finish with hardwall. bonding all day long...unless ur polish ;D
 
skimmin2day said:
id use whatever was in the van and wouldnt give a toss if they dont listen to my advise flynny.


Thing is if you took ur car into a garage with squeeling breaks and the mechanic said it needs new discs as there knackered beceuse ur pads wore them down u could just put new pads in to save money now but your new pads will be knackered in a few months .youd listen to the advise and get the work done.
but in this game everyone thinks they now better when they no (french word) all.
It makes you mad..
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Fair enough if they dont listen to advise but using hardwall lol you ruff kunt
 
1 year ago,id walk away from it 100%.If they wouldnt listen to my advise,but nowdays other spreads tell them thell skim it for £xx and if you dont you lose out.
 
skimmin2day said:
1 year ago,id walk away from it 100%.If they wouldnt listen to my advise,but nowdays other spreads tell them thell skim it for £xx and if you dont you lose out.
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fair enough but hardwall? you sound like a rip off merchant by sayin you will use whats in the van and if it fails its their fault tut tut
 
about a month ago.i went to price a ceiling,the guy on the phone said me and my brother boarded it and it needs skim.how much it cost me?
i turns up has a look,and he nailed the boards up with steel 3 inch nails with 13mm gaps in some places and used board tape to cover instead of scrim.
he'd obviosly had ago himself at plastering it cus u could smugges of plaster around the edges.
anyhow...i tells him it needs overboarding cus gaps are to big the steel nail holes will rust through in a week and it will be hard to blend in to the plastering u tried to do.
He replies another guy told me he could skim it for £175.

mmmmmm gets me thinking its a 3x4m ceiling 3 hrs work at the most its all clear ready to go at, i explain if you want me to skim it ill do it now for £100 cash while im here or £125 and ill be back another day.
any how does the job and yesterday i he rings me telling me the ceilign is cracking and theres little round brown circles allover the ceiling what shall i do???? i hangs up.
 
Tape all cracks,
Then Thistle Bond-it to Walls,
tight coat of bonding,
1st coat skim with fibres in the mix,
2nd coat skim.
;D ;D

Might work, might not. ;D

So get them to sign a disclaimer ;)
Or put on your invoice that you advised plaster should have been removed etc...
 
skimmin2day said:
about a month ago.i went to price a ceiling,the guy on the phone said me and my brother boarded it and it needs skim.how much it cost me?
i turns up has a look,and he nailed the boards up with steel 3 inch nails with 13mm gaps in some places and used board tape to cover instead of scrim.
he'd obviosly had ago himself at plastering it cus u could smugges of plaster around the edges.
anyhow...i tells him it needs overboarding cus gaps are to big the steel nail holes will rust through in a week and it will be hard to blend in to the plastering u tried to do.
He replies another guy told me he could skim it for £175.

mmmmmm gets me thinking its a 3x4m ceiling 3 hrs work at the most its all clear ready to go at, i explain if you want me to skim it ill do it now for £100 cash while im here or £125 and ill be back another day.
any how does the job and yesterday i he rings me telling me the ceilign is cracking and theres little round brown circles allover the ceiling what shall i do???? i hangs up.
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go round and give it a tight coat of sand and cement :)
 
Iv done a 50/50 bonding skim coat with fibres before and it worked but a hole room! Might as well do the job rite! I like the car parts theory
 
best to do it right. but if they tell you how they want it doing as they increasingly seem to be doing i do it for them no comeback though !!!!
 
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