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Im relatively new to the monocouche type rendering, been plastering for 25 years. Im about to embark on a few large jobs with parex and weber products. So far I have applied it by hand following instructions from the tech dept of weber. My question is guys by the time you take into consideration the cost of the machine and problems with that therin, all the extra masking up etc does it work out much more profitable by having a machine rather than relying on hand application. Is it strongly advised? Also do you get as good a job with the machine?
I think its time i went on a course just to answer a few niggling questions and listen to the lecture of technical data etc
Feedback off you guys would be much appreciated, thanks.
 
Hi Andy,

If you need any information on Rendering machines and wish to see one in action please contact me on 01242 236699.

We are an approved dealer for a range of machines and will happily show you some of the machines we have to offer

We have a range of new and used machines in stock and will happily provide a demonstration free of charge. If you choose to purchase or even hire a machine we will be give full training on the machines and provide you with a certificate stating that you have received the training. We stock all spare parts for a range of machines which are available next day.

For more details on the demo or Hire of a machine please feel free to contact me.

Regards,

Ryan Hill
 
I have been told that the more awkward jobs where theres lots of small areas rather than clear massive areas that its better to still put it on by hand. Just booked in today for the parex course.
Also guys do the machines go faulty much? How easy are they to clean at the end?Is it worth buying a second hand machine or are they usually more trouble than theyre worth?
Lots of questions but i suppose thats what the forums for to help each other out with info :)
 
Andy,

The M-tec machines we sell have a PU easy clean system as standard, this makes the machine very easy to clean. It also comes with a Cleaning Hose which attaches onto your Water Pump. With regards to 2nd hand machines being troublesome we offer a 3-6 month warranty on all of our used machines. Im just about to leave the office but feel free to call me on 07891 460532 if you want to talk about the machines
 
andydee said:
Im relatively new to the monocouche type rendering, been plastering for 25 years. Im about to embark on a few large jobs with parex and weber products. So far I have applied it by hand following instructions from the tech dept of weber. My question is guys by the time you take into consideration the cost of the machine and problems with that therin, all the extra masking up etc does it work out much more profitable by having a machine rather than relying on hand application. Is it strongly advised? Also do you get as good a job with the machine?
I think its time i went on a course just to answer a few niggling questions and listen to the lecture of technical data etc
Feedback off you guys would be much appreciated, thanks.
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i think it is what suits you as a company ,your set up ,how much you will use it ect ,and if your going to splash out on a machine because you have "a few large jobs in "
 
It's not only quicker by machine it puts it on at the correct thickness, a lot of guys that
put it on by hand use 12mm beads because it's hard graft putting it on at 15 mm plus.also because of the speed of the machine you don't get dry joint on large elevations............ Bite the bullet get a machine if you intend doing a lot of this type of work
 
If you know how to finish mono by hand then you might not learn anything about spraying at Parex or Wiber (cant pronounce it) except for a small amount.

What you will need to do is know how to set up your machine and use it. I thought it would be as simple as plug the water in connect the power put some powder in turn on and away you go. But it is not as simple as that. Far from it. I would say there is more to know about the machine than there is about spraying the material from it.

Les at PFT Northern is only 140 miles away at Maltby in South yorkshire and it can be done in an afternoon. There is a charge per man but it is a bargain for what you will learn. You will learn how to set up and problems with setting up, changing the R&S, daily maintenance like filters and draining off, how to start spraying and what problems to avoid and how to clean the machine.

If you can take a mate because two heads are better than one and there is a lot to take in. Also if your chosen machine is a PFT he can put you through a PFT approved course for H&S on sites.

And as a bonus you will be able to sit in front of the lovely Gemma when you pay for it but remember to take some doggy treats for the doggies.
 
Mickyboy said:
It's not only quicker by machine it puts it on at the correct thickness, a lot of guys that
put it on by hand use 12mm beads because it's hard graft putting it on at 15 mm plus.also because of the speed of the machine you don't get dry joint on large elevations............ Bite the bullet get a machine if you intend doing a lot of this type of work
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Not really machine lads still use 10mm beads to save on gear
 
Rigsby said:
If you know how to finish mono by hand then you might not learn anything about spraying at Parex or Wiber (cant pronounce it) except for a small amount.

What you will need to do is know how to set up your machine and use it. I thought it would be as simple as plug the water in connect the power put some powder in turn on and away you go. But it is not as simple as that. Far from it. I would say there is more to know about the machine than there is about spraying the material from it.

Les at PFT Northern is only 140 miles away at Maltby in South yorkshire and it can be done in an afternoon. There is a charge per man but it is a bargain for what you will learn. You will learn how to set up and problems with setting up, changing the R&S, daily maintenance like filters and draining off, how to start spraying and what problems to avoid and how to clean the machine.

If you can take a mate because two heads are better than one and there is a lot to take in. Also if your chosen machine is a PFT he can put you through a PFT approved course for H&S on sites.

And as a bonus you will be able to sit in front of the lovely Gemma when you pay for it but remember to take some doggy treats for the doggies.
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good advice Rigsby :RpS_thumbup:
 
Ive sorted a parex 2 day course near skipton yorkshire, taking a mate who will be with me on most jobs anyway. There is a machine use course as part of that ( mtech i believe) and no doubt try to flog me one whilst im there ... Im sure it ll show me what you explained rigsby thanks, other than that a forum regular plasterers one stop shop will help me im sure when im ready to buy. Good thing is about doing the parex course for me is a) ill be accredited by one of the big 3 b) its much more local than way down south for training with weber or northern ireland for k rend :)
 
The machine is a putzeister. Have a look at all the rendering done on there big sample walls, I did em all. You'll only get accreted as you put it if your a competent renderer all ready.
 
andydee said:
Ive sorted a parex 2 day course near skipton yorkshire, taking a mate who will be with me on most jobs anyway. There is a machine use course as part of that ( mtech i believe) and no doubt try to flog me one whilst im there ... Im sure it ll show me what you explained rigsby thanks, other than that a forum regular plasterers one stop shop will help me im sure when im ready to buy. Good thing is about doing the parex course for me is a) ill be accredited by one of the big 3 b) its much more local than way down south for training with weber or northern ireland for k rend :)
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What day are you in? I might be about
 
owls said:
The machine is a putzeister. Have a look at all the rendering done on there big sample walls, I did em all. You'll only get accreted as you put it if your a competent renderer all ready.
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They are very nice walls :)
 
I hope the course comes quickly, theres 6 rendering jobs ive priced in the past few weeks, all of them monocouche. would love to know the variation of price per metre but slap my hand harshly ... thats not allowed discussion on this forum :) What im quoting is healthy for me I know.
 
We used every parex product on them, full ewi system, ehi mineral, monorex, dpr 0.5 to 1.5. Moyen and Clair and Gtech carriers.
 
andydee said:
I hope the course comes quickly, theres 6 rendering jobs ive priced in the past few weeks, all of them monocouche. would love to know the variation of price per metre but slap my hand harshly ... thats not allowed discussion on this forum :) What im quoting is healthy for me I know.
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That's all you can do, there's no black art to pricing.
Open discussions on pricings is daft on an open forum, post a bit more then you can pm other lads, as some do to us about various systems.
 
andydee said:
Im relatively new to the monocouche type rendering, been plastering for 25 years. Im about to embark on a few large jobs with parex and weber products. So far I have applied it by hand following instructions from the tech dept of weber. My question is guys by the time you take into consideration the cost of the machine and problems with that therin, all the extra masking up etc does it work out much more profitable by having a machine rather than relying on hand application. Is it strongly advised? Also do you get as good a job with the machine?
I think its time i went on a course just to answer a few niggling questions and listen to the lecture of technical data etc
Feedback off you guys would be much appreciated, thanks.
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these products were designed for machines, its a much better job with a machine

On the whole that is, I know there might be some super hand app guys that will jump down my neck and say you show me your machine job v my hand job blah blah, ok but speed of app is key and maintaining consistent mixes and live edges so all these things come with a machine but by hand you need to constantly be on top of this.

Ps machine ways is right ways brothers, proper.
 
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