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some of you get the prices(correctly so imo) i do not know.

i just finished a supply and skim approx 110 m2 about 60m2 being a large ceiling at 9ft approx 10 beads and 2 rolls of scrim.the customer had seen me working for someone he knew and called me .he told me just do it even tho i said prefer to give a price.

he recieved my bill of £600 and nearly died went on to say plasterers shudnt be making more than 120 a day bla bla bla.
i didnt budge but i guess i wont get another call.

last week a lad who gives me some work called someone he was working for needed a bedroom done and the plasterer kept letting tem downwent to look .it was approx a 5x4 over board ceilg ,skirts taken off with lots of blown areas and all in all not in the best shape.anyway priced at 450 inc mats slightl7y steep but a finished house stair protectin etcc. i got laffed out the house.

now i have over 30 years exp and try not to rip off but seriosly am i missing something or what
 
rockhardsolidplastering said:
some of you get the prices(correctly so imo) i do not know.

i just finished a supply and skim approx 110 m2 about 60m2 being a large ceiling at 9ft approx 10 beads and 2 rolls of scrim.the customer had seen me working for someone he knew and called me .he told me just do it even tho i said prefer to give a price.

he recieved my bill of £600 and nearly died went on to say plasterers shudnt be making more than 120 a day bla bla bla.
i didnt budge but i guess i wont get another call.

last week a lad who gives me some work called someone he was working for needed a bedroom done and the plasterer kept letting tem downwent to look .it was approx a 5x4 over board ceilg ,skirts taken off with lots of blown areas and all in all not in the best shape.anyway priced at 450 inc mats slightl7y steep but a finished house stair protectin etcc. i got laffed out the house.

now i have over 30 years exp and try not to rip off but seriosly am i missing something or what
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I'm with you on this Done nothing else but plastering all my life feel, like going done to ASDA and pushing trolleys
 
As i have said before plastering has become a joke trade , unless you specialize in other aspects , 95% of our work is skimming , skimming is easy to learn therefore flooding the market with trade which drives prices down , most a willing to work for a low day work rate which keeps it that way .
 
Stick to your guns mate, you know your prices are in the right area so don't move.:RpS_thumbup:

Mind you, when the bloke said 'just do it' there was nowt to stop you from telling him the price before you started.....
 
£600 is about right. £5 p/m plus mats. i wouldnt do it for any less. and £450 isnt really that steep either. the day u say, well everyone else is charging sod all, so i should too, is the day the trade completely dies. it needs people to keep charging decent money to keep it a trade worth doing. the difference in rates in plastering is really extreme.
 
if your an experienced plasterer & know your job stick to your guns you know it will be done properly its only chancers coursers polish & now firemen that are drivin this skilled trsde that takes years to learn down the drain :RpS_crying:
 
Its probably the most skillfull trade in contruction ,and yet its the most thankless.There should be a minimum charge per day per spread and navvy right across the board ,anyone caught working for less should be hung by the b...ox
 
church said:
As i have said before plastering has become a joke trade , unless you specialize in other aspects , 95% of our work is skimming , skimming is easy to learn therefore flooding the market with trade which drives prices down , most a willing to work for a low day work rate which keeps it that way .
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and it is the same the world over ...at least in the us and canada anyways,plastering is an unrespected trade ...very very few understand it and very very few actually know the trade ....as far as I see at least in the uk the best spreads come from there ...but after the last 25 years of meeting immigrant plasterers here I have definitely noticed a decline in the knowledge of the english spreader

but then on the other hand look at it this way,at least I do, my latest job of which I have only lathed and scratched and browned ready for a lime finish ( its an italian style villa exterior approx 2500m2 ) I did the guesthouse so far ..the profit from just that will keep me at home warm and cozy until march ...actually and probably a bit beyond....point is keep your numbers where you think they should be ....dont do the chasing game and chase the competions numbers to the point where the builder just laughs at you .......under his breath...stick to your guns.

prior to bidding and getting this job I could not buy a job ...prices being hacked left right and center......waste of time even getting out of bed,and its been like this for a couple years now ....total feast or famine.....so on the whole over the course of the year id say we make a reasonably good living.....myself I get just enough good ones to be able to not bother with the s**t ones with 20 bidders.

as for doing a job on the "just go ahead and do it " comment ....never ever .....do not do it,even if you have worked for the company or person for years
 
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i knew when he said just do it that if anything it puts you under pressurer to do it cheaper as he gets his bill when done this turned out to be true and i KNEW IT WOULD and have known for at least 20 odd years never again tho.

it seems we arnt allowed to make money just wages thats all well and good if you want to give me a full time job with all the benefits if not eff off thats my price
 
Rocksolid your alarm bells should have started ringing when he said just do it. Anyway there must be spreads now who are on the dole so you can be cheaper that's life mate we all have to deal with it. If I had kids to feed , like young spreads, am gonna take what I can .
I also think the top and bottom of it all is some lads are just good at plastering but have no business head and some spreads have both and they are the ones
that go on to be a sucess .
Lets ask the machine lads how they manage to buy into the large investment of a PFT or what ever machine they have. Do they like rendering or is it more money then skimming, you tell me.
 
i had this a few weeks back with a guy down the road. i gave him a price for a fair bit of work and he goes, just out of interest how much is labour how much materials. i said erm, not too sure without looking at my working, not wanting to let him no. i said whys that. he says, the thing is i dont pay anyone more than 170 a day. so i said to him, its worth what its worth, if i do it in day or a week, its still the same. you can put me on day rate if you want but it will cost you same, just take longer. you cant expect me to do it for less because i can do something quickly. needless to say he didnt get what i was on about and just thought that no trade should ever earn oe than 170 a day. and of course, he lived in a house worth about a million quid.
 
Yeah, some of the cnuts round here that work at the best paid factories - 10 days on 10 days off, 7 weeks paid holidays, all the bank holidays and more lieu days than Father Christmas, head up their arses, them ones - they are HORRIFIED when you tell them what you want for doing the job right. What the fuk makes them think they are worth more than us - tossers :RpS_cursing:
 
Well i am just starting out so £75ish a day will suit me.
I'm not very fast so a big room with the roof & 4 walls will take me 3-4 days.
So that's £300 plus the materials.
Is that about right?
 
Ahmed78 said:
Well i am just starting out so £75ish a day will suit me.
I'm not very fast so a big room with the roof & 4 walls will take me 3-4 days.
So that's £300 plus the materials.
Is that about right?
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Its a ceiling not a roof this might loose you the job lol
 
£300 for a ceiling and 4 walls is about right,only thing is it would take most of us 1 day to complet not 3-4.but it equates to the same wages just taking you longer
 
Some people do not like to pay you more than they earn its true.
What will happen when young Ahmed gets upto speed and is bashing a room out in 6 hrs do you think he will be doing 2 rooms a day?
If people cant do a job themselves the have to pay the going rate to get it done its that simple.
 
skimmin2day said:
Some people do not like to pay you more than they earn its true.
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Lots of other things come into play aswell though.

Going to price the job can be an hour and a half of you time, going to B & Q to get the gear can take an half an hour or more including traveling.

You can have £1000 worth of tools in a van that cost £5000 or more plus all the various other expenses like insurance's etc.

For every £100 you take off a customer you probably only have about £70 actuall profit when all said and done.
 
nelly said:
Lots of other things come into play aswell though.

Going to price the job can be an hour and a half of you time, going to B & Q to get the gear can take an half an hour or more including traveling.

You can have £1000 worth of tools in a van that cost £5000 or more plus all the various other expenses like insurance's etc.

For every £100 you take off a customer you probably only have about £70 actuall profit when all said and done.
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Whats a profit? :RpS_sneaky:
 
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