Old plaster crumbling in 1930s semi detached hallway

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ifza khushnud

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Hi everyone.

Wanted to get an opinion on an issue I’ve got. I’ve had some people in who’ve been ripping out my hallway and landing ceilings (old textured/artex ceilings) and they accidentally pulled away some plaster on the gabel end wall. The plaster comes away quite easily and is very easy to break off, literally crumbles away. This is a 1930s semi detached property and I have a feeling it’s original plaster. I’ve been advised by a builder to take back to brick, removing all plaster and then to put a vapour max sheet across the wall. Then to batten the wall and place foil back plaster board on top and then plaster on top. Is this the best course of action?
 
Builders are jack of alls who are usually just brickies who get other trades in.

A proper plasterer will know best as already said
 
ifza khushnud said:
Hi everyone.

Wanted to get an opinion on an issue I’ve got. I’ve had some people in who’ve been ripping out my hallway and landing ceilings (old textured/artex ceilings) and they accidentally pulled away some plaster on the gabel end wall. The plaster comes away quite easily and is very easy to break off, literally crumbles away. This is a 1930s semi detached property and I have a feeling it’s original plaster. I’ve been advised by a builder to take back to brick, removing all plaster and then to put a vapour max sheet across the wall. Then to batten the wall and place foil back plaster board on top and then plaster on top. Is this the best course of action?
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My first thought is to use sand and cement and put it back to the way it was....

The way the builder has suggested seems like it may be ok but why did he suggest it? I think its because it is a job they can do themselves :D

Get some photos up so we can have a look :D
 
ifza khushnud said:
Hi everyone.

Wanted to get an opinion... ... put a vapour max sheet across the wall...and place foil back plaster board on top and then...
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Agree with @Danny, sounds like avoiding rendering/float&set.
Putting two vapour barriers is OTT. Need to know if plaster is crumbling because it is damp (not has-been damp) or if it is just really old and well past replacement time.
 
Danny said:
My first thought is to use sand and cement and put it back to the way it was....

The way the builder has suggested seems like it may be ok but why did he suggest it? I think its because it is a job they can do themselves :D

Get some photos up so we can have a look :D
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Sorry for the poor picture but that’s all I’ve got at the moment. That’s a bit he knocked out to explain how soft it is and how easy it is to crumble. I can feel parts of the plaster on the wall is detached from the brick by knocking certain areas. A few people I know have mentioned just filling and skimming. I’ve had a look around the wall inside and out and can’t see any signs of damp, it just seems like old plaster.
 

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ifza khushnud said:
Sorry for the poor picture but that’s all I’ve got at the moment. That’s a bit he knocked out to explain how soft it is and how easy it is to crumble. I can feel parts of the plaster on the wall is detached from the brick by knocking certain areas. A few people I know have mentioned just filling and skimming. I’ve had a look around the wall inside and out and can’t see any signs of damp, it just seems like old plaster.
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looks dry to me....
 
ifza khushnud said:
Sorry for the poor picture but that’s all I’ve got at the moment. That’s a bit he knocked out to explain how soft it is and how easy it is to crumble. I can feel parts of the plaster on the wall is detached from the brick by knocking certain areas. A few people I know have mentioned just filling and skimming. I’ve had a look around the wall inside and out and can’t see any signs of damp, it just seems like old plaster.
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I doubt you'll be able to fill and skim because you'll need to take any loose plaster off and trust me...you'll open a right can of worms.

Needs taking off IMO.

Can't tell if its a solid wall from the picture...might be going against many on here but if its a solid gable I'd put insulated boards up.
 
CeeVee said:
I doubt you'll be able to fill and skim because you'll need to take any loose plaster off and trust me...you'll open a right can of worms.

Needs taking off IMO.

Can't tell if its a solid wall from the picture...might be going against many on here but if its a solid gable I'd put insulated boards up.
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Can they be fitted directly to brick or do they need a frame to attach to? Tbh I want to find the cheapest and quickest option if there ever is such a thing.
 
ifza khushnud said:
Can they be fitted directly to brick or do they need a frame to attach to? Tbh I want to find the cheapest and quickest option if there ever is such a thing.
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Float and set as @Vincey suggested but what would I know? Only been doing this 30 years :rolleyes: oh well your builder's suggestion will be expensive on materials alone plus his Labour. Sounds also a croc of s**t to me to. Excuse my language but I'm straight talking best way to be
 
Your builder is taking the piss he could of over boarded the ceiling without the mess but he is creating work. His suggestion is laughable I've never heard anything so stupid but I would expect this from a so called builder. You need a plasterer who only mentions sand and cement I would ignore all the other plasterers who say dab or board.
 
flynnyman said:
Your builder is taking the piss he could of over boarded the ceiling without the mess but he is creating work. His suggestion is laughable I've never heard anything so stupid but I would expect this from a so called builder. You need a plasterer who only mentions sand and cement I would ignore all the other plasterers who say dab or board.
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Well said mate
 
Marshy said:
Float and set as @Vincey suggested but what would I know? Only been doing this 30 years :rolleyes: oh well your builder's suggestion will be expensive on materials alone plus his Labour. Sounds also a croc of s**t to me to. Excuse my language but I'm straight talking best way to be
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So taking it back to brick and then float and set?
flynnyman said:
Your builder is taking the piss he could of over boarded the ceiling without the mess but he is creating work. His suggestion is laughable I've never heard anything so stupid but I would expect this from a so called builder. You need a plasterer who only mentions sand and cement I would ignore all the other plasterers who say dab or board.
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He’s doing the plastering on the ceilings as we speak and in hindsight I agree with you hence I want to let him finish what I’ve agreed with him and get someone else in to do this wall. If he’s plastering the ceiling and I get someone else to plaster the wall, would this cause any problem? As in should it all be plastered at the same time or is there no issue?
 
ifza khushnud said:
So I need to remove all the old plaster first?
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Best thing as others have said is to get a plasterer around to give you some advice and a price for the work . It is hard to say what's what without looking at the job first but in my opinion it should be done with sand and cement not with plaster board .
 
ifza khushnud said:
So taking it back to brick and then float and set?


He’s doing the plastering on the ceilings as we speak and in hindsight I agree with you hence I want to let him finish what I’ve agreed with him and get someone else in to do this wall. If he’s plastering the ceiling and I get someone else to plaster the wall, would this cause any problem? As in should it all be plastered at the same time or is there no issue?
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Whereabouts are you ? One of the forum lads could pop round and advise. Trust me they darnt f**k up or we will shaft them
 
flynnyman said:
Your builder is taking the piss he could of over boarded the ceiling without the mess but he is creating work. His suggestion is laughable I've never heard anything so stupid but I would expect this from a so called builder. You need a plasterer who only mentions sand and cement I would ignore all the other plasterers who say dab or board.
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What about hardwall
 
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