Sand/Cement after DPC Injection - Multi or Dot and Dab?

Brynawel

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Hi all, my names Aaron, I've browsed this forum lots of times in the past for different bits and bobs but am now finally registering to ask some advice on the plastering in my first home.

Late 1920's cavity wall soft redbrick construction, it had a thin lime screed floor with no dpm which was starting to fail and letting damp in, as well as lots of damp patches on all the ground floor walls.

After a lot of research and surveys, we've done a lot of work on the property to sort the damp - new floor, lowered ground outside, cleared all the cavities and injected dpc throughout.

I know there is divided opinion on chemical injection dpc's, and so we debated for a long time before deciding to go ahead, especially as the original mortar/plaster was all lime based and a chemical dpc also requires a sand and cement backing to be applied with waterproofer/salt inhibitor - I've read that cement on lime buildings can create it's own problems.

Anyway, we went ahead with the dpc, and stripped all original plaster off the walls (not just up to 1.2m high) as it was blown in places anyway. We let the bricks dry for a couple of months with the intention of sand/cementing the lot and finishing with multi.

Our builder recommended a plasterer to us as it was a bit difficult finding someone who was willing/able to apply the sand and cement backing. I wanted to get the pros in for this and finish with multi myself (I've skimmed a few rooms before and enjoy it). The plasterer and his guys have today applied the first coat.

The plasterer is adamant that we should not skim the sand/cement as he believes that it is certain to crack on our type of wall. He instead suggests that we should dot and dab the lot. He says that after a few months with heating on it wall all crack in a jigsaw puzzle shape. He didn't really give much more of an explanation other than 'these types of walls are so dry it will take all the moisture out and crack'.

I was really hoping to skim the sand and cement as the walls have character and I'm not too keen on dot and dab because of the voids it creates and how much more work it is to get decent fixings down the line.

All the walls are soft red bricks with black ash mortar. I've got no reason to disbelieve the plasterer, but was just hoping to gather some opinions on here and maybe explore some solutions. Photos attached.

Aaron
 

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Thanks Dropsalot

The plasterer said he will come back to do a second coat if we really do not want to dot and dab, like we originally planned.

Aaron
 
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Thanks Dropsalot

The plasterer said he will come back to do a second coat if we really do not want to dot and dab, like we originally planned.

Aaron
The decision should of been made at the beginning then he could of beaded up with the scratch coat, I wouldn't dab.
 
The decision should of been made at the beginning then he could of beaded up with the scratch coat, I wouldn't dab.
Thanks for your reply flynnyman

He's thinking was that if we did want to skim, two coats of sand and cement would be needed anyway to flat out the walls. He originally wanted to bead up on the second coat any way after the scratch.

The quoted job was all ways for two S&C coats. That was the decision made as we didn't foresee the apparently high risk of cracking. Only when he arrived and advised against the original plan did we start thinking about dabbing.

I probably should have had the plasterer round to reccy rather then have the builder bring him in without seeing the job.

Aaron
 
It all seems a bit odd as I can't imagine that there are no similarly built houses out there with multi on sand and cement without big cracking issues. I just wanted to check that it wasn't a known issue on these kind of bricks.
 
You want a weaker render mix for soft bricks imo
Unfortunately the cement render apparently had to be done as part of the dpc injection treatment. This was my main worry when deciding if it was a good idea to have the injection done. There are walls that have previously been injected in the house going back 20+ years and cement rendered. We had surveys carried out on these wallsvand weighed it all up and decided to go for the injection.

Looked into other options like limelite but were advised that it's effectiveness was questionable and therefore might cause problems with the injection guarantee.
 
Unfortunately the cement render apparently had to be done as part of the dpc injection treatment. This was my main worry when deciding if it was a good idea to have the injection done. There are walls that have previously been injected in the house going back 20+ years and cement rendered. We had surveys carried out on these wallsvand weighed it all up and decided to go for the injection.

Looked into other options like limelite but were advised that it's effectiveness was questionable and therefore might cause problems with the injection guarantee.
Limelite and other renovating plasters are far better then sand & cement
 
I have this discussion with customers regularly.... the problem is like arti pointed out is that idealy you need a weeker mix but the dpc spec is 3-1 scratch and 4-1 top.....which is hard.. i find the best way to try and control the cracking is to delay the skimming as long as possible...i always advise 2 weeks.... but on most dpcs people will only pay for the 1m taking off so the 100 year old plaster you patch into will crack any way......... i have just bought a house that needs a dpc and will render the 1 m, leave 2 weeks then skim but with render mesh in the 1st coat of skim.... this is not to spec but have done this before with no issues....
 
Tbh if your intending on doing the skimming then come to your own conclusions and do the lot...

Yet another piss take customer IMO...

If you'd have phoned me and said you was wanting to skim a full house that I'd sand & cemented I'd have told you to ram it!!!...
 
Now you have a scratch on you might aswell carry on with s&c , if you have had Dpc infection done it wouldn't be part of any survey to d&d ontop of it.
 
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