Segregation of the industry

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We are seeing this more and more...

If I was to get my house rendered I would now look for specialist rendering firm...

If I was looking to screed a floor and would get a screed in....

Fibrous work.... no problem I would call a specialist firm....

Is this a good thing for the industry or should all plasterers be experts in every aspect.... I know I can render, float, skim even screed a floor but would I still get a renderer because I would hope they would be better... I done more jobs under their belt....

Will be interesting to hear your thoughts on this...
 
I generally do everything myself but if i get a big job with a lot of fibrous work i pass it on as i cant stand doing it!! Tedious! And obviously venetian as never done it but i recon i could if shown once or twice just not a lot of call for it :RpS_thumbup:
 
I think people like yourself who know the trade will go for a 'specialist' but general public usually still think a plasterer is a plasterer,however a lot still call a builder for rendering work instead of a spread.
 
Thats why we call ourselves plastering and rendering ltd so we can fall into both.

But yes on site your a:
skimmer
boarder
metler
screeded
cover
renderer

Not many do 2 or more of the above
 
hmmmm but is it a good thing?

I was talking about it today and some one thought it is going back to before tesco... ie... you go to the green grocer, butcher etc...
 
I do, skimming and rendering ,old school hand ball rendering, I don't screed anymore ,but used to do all in a house Id take on, demolition,boarding,etc etc, never did much fibrous ,have fitted corniche and coving but not a lot,
 
johniosaif said:
I do, skimming and rendering ,old school hand ball rendering, I don't screed anymore ,but used to do all in a house Id take on, demolition,boarding,etc etc, never did much fibrous ,have fitted corniche and coving but not a lot,
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Cornice John Cornice :RpS_thumbup: I think corniche is a Rolls Royce.
 
Dansouthcoast84 said:
Thats why we call ourselves plastering and rendering ltd so we can fall into both.

But yes on site your a:
skimmer
boarder
metler
screeded
cover
renderer

Not many do 2 or more of the above
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i have done all of the above in the last two weeks and tbh would like to keep it that way as I like the variety and I do think a plasterer should know how to do all of the above and more.when used in buisness is the word 'specialist' just a clever way of marketing something you like doing more? I think 9 times out of 10 it is although I don't knock anyone doing this as it is the way I would go if I decided I wanted to be a full time screeder.
 
It has to be segregated otherwise you get skimmers turning up for a rendering job not having a f**king clue what to do.
 
I will only screed floors occasionally now and it's generally one or two rooms anything larger gets passed on to a full time screeder i know. Cornice and coving i do but will not make fibrous stuff anymore and pass that on to a lad in his early 60's and still working.

This really dose all go back to the demise of real apprenticeships and greed on the part of large developers and builders not wanting to pay to train people plus break all the trades down into small bite size pieces and all of a sudden your tradesmen are not highly skilled anymore and training times fall dramatically say 6 to 12 weeks to skim competently etc etc. This also means that in boom times new ops can be brought in quicker.

Plumbers were saved by Ester ranson and that's life cos without her there would be no gas safe register ! I can just about remember when more than a few plumbers became a plumber because they were sheite at everything else on a site so they where sent to work with the plumbers cos it was that hard to be sheit at it.
 
The segregation comes from the fact that people who can dot n dab then skim are not plasterers, when I served my apprenticeship I worked 3 days on site shifting bags/ water/ clean tools/ hand mixing/tin bath mixing/ then 2 days in casting shop doing same. After 2 Years I was shown basic application of materials and running jute n laths into fibrous in casting shop. 3rd year still doing mixing but was laying on and ruleing up, scratch coating , screed work dry n wet , lime renders and some dashing. 4year I was working as 3rd man on 3-1 gang but i was still expected to do cups of tea sandwich shop, pick gear up in van and drop other lads off after work. It was part and parcel of being called a "plasterer" back then, you were expected to be versed in every aspect of trowel craft to a professional standard. After 6 Years I classed myself as a "journey man" plasterer and after 26 years I'm a master plasterer. Or is all that not worth anything nowadays? :0(
 
timeservedspread said:
The segregation comes from the fact that people who can dot n dab then skim are not plasterers, when I served my apprenticeship I worked 3 days on site shifting bags/ water/ clean tools/ hand mixing/tin bath mixing/ then 2 days in casting shop doing same. After 2 Years I was shown basic application of materials and running jute n laths into fibrous in casting shop. 3rd year still doing mixing but was laying on and ruleing up, scratch coating , screed work dry n wet , lime renders and some dashing. 4year I was working as 3rd man on 3-1 gang but i was still expected to do cups of tea sandwich shop, pick gear up in van and drop other lads off after work. It was part and parcel of being called a "plasterer" back then, you were expected to be versed in every aspect of trowel craft to a professional standard. After 6 Years I classed myself as a "journey man" plasterer and after 26 years I'm a master plasterer. Or is all that not worth anything nowadays? :0(
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30 Years ago yes ....today sadly no :-(.
 
Everything on site today is about deadlines.

Floating was done away with because of taking to long to dry for painting.

the industry has gone into "get it done yesterday"

Spray painting houses
Kitchen fitters fitting kitchens in a day.

sparks/plumbers are all flying in and out of plots.

Its like a fast moving factory now.

lads who stick too 1 or 2 aspects pick up a good speed doing it day in day out.

In peoples homes its different.
its not set up for speed.
thats when its better to take on the full works.

I think !!!!!!!!
 
algeeman said:
Everything on site today is about deadlines.

Floating was done away with because of taking to long to dry for painting.

the industry has gone into "get it done yesterday"

Spray painting houses
Kitchen fitters fitting kitchens in a day.

sparks/plumbers are all flying in and out of plots.

Its like a fast moving factory now.

lads who stick too 1 or 2 aspects pick up a good speed doing it day in day out.

In peoples homes its different.
its not set up for speed.
thats when its better to take on the full works.

I think !!!!!!!!
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That's why I enjoy doing lime work, feels like I'm on holiday, nice slow relaxed pace.
 
Lol but would you rather have a specialist in your house or a jack of all trades?

No offence to anyone meant just interested.... it will be a good thread to come back to in the future and see who is talking the most sense
 
been saying this for years... if you call yourself a plasterer, you should be comfortable with all aspects of the trade... you may be more experienced in a certain aspect or enjoy a certain aspect, but you should be comfortable with it all.... worked with loads that **** their pants if its not skimming boards...
 
New to the group here. Yea I think a plasterer should be able to do skimming and rendering, otherwise he's a skimmer or a renderer. Just my thoughts :)
 
Hi guys, been reading this thread with great interest! I have been in the game for about 15yrs now, starting labouring for my dad when I left school. At the time the opportunity to get an apprenticeship was basically zero as well as college courses in my area at the time. So I picked up what I could when I was working, got experience of working for different spreads, learning different techniques etc. But I only got the chance to learn the basics. Skimming, float and set, s&c render. As these were the bulk of the jobs that the people I worked for got. The spreads I worked for were all 'proper time served' By the way! Even now the main jobs I get are skimming over Artex., can you believe that there is still so much left?!
This skimmer is not happy about segregation in the industry, but it is led by the industry, in my humble opinion.
Also money talks, people can earn good money skimming, then when the chance to learn something else arises they can't always afford to take a drop in wages to learn, due to family, rent etc.
Hope this makes sense, I can only read 2 lines at a time on my phone!!!
 
good sensible post mate.. trouble with some is, they cant admit they are skimmers, they call themselves plasterers.. you have a good attitude mate.. you will do well I think..
 
Thank you, I think I do alright, and am always trying to improve.
I can only talk from my own personal experience, but getting to master plasterer seems to be getting harder and harder!!
 
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