see previous thread another week, after reading the various comments, advice, feeling a lot better, still no work on but more positive and not feeling sorry for myself, nice to know there are people out there who are also or have been in the same position ,it got to the stage i thought i was the only one, going to start off tommorow :RpS_biggrin:with a realistic plan/ideas will keep you posted, special thanks to owls for his comments and advice, but thanks to all of you.all the best,