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skimmin2day
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there making the room sizes smaller and smaller with more awkward shapes.So if you done an a average bed room a day with the lid ur only looking at 6om2,then the next day u can be farting around in the airing cuboard for 4 hrs skimming round the meters and earn £60 all day with a ceiling ontop.
Ricky a lounge ceiling at 5x5 is 25m2 and two walls easy done in a day 60 m2. Straight out of college or not that is acheivable mate.
It only when ur farting around with box rooms pipes reveals arches u slow and lose out.
Ricky a lounge ceiling at 5x5 is 25m2 and two walls easy done in a day 60 m2. Straight out of college or not that is acheivable mate.
It only when ur farting around with box rooms pipes reveals arches u slow and lose out.
skimmin2day
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ur joking right?????
even a poxy 4x4 ceiling x 2 a day is 32m2 mate.
that can be done by breakfast
even a poxy 4x4 ceiling x 2 a day is 32m2 mate.
that can be done by breakfast
skimmin2day said:
Mate he's still brand new, learning the job was one thing becoming fast was quite another.
My opinion is 30 meters a day for a newby is okay.
Thats 3 mixes a day one wall a mix at 4 meters by 2.4 high.
What I would do and it addreses a problem mentioned further up the thread is, do 3 mixes a day doing 1 big wall and one wall in the cupboard or 2 windows. This method sort of soaks of the shltty bits as you go.
The reveals on a normal house can take anywhere between half to a full days work.
steve_cov_spread said:
Its because they get far more attention than they deserve per M2, the constant stop/start.
People phone you and say I want a wall skimmed, and imediately we imagine a nice 4 meter long wall dead easy
Then they say oh it's not that big though cos theres a window in it, and your like FFS thats worse
skimmin2day
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Im sorry nelly but i totally disagree.These kids go college for 2 years in which time they build a portfolio of eveidence of experience gained with a full time spread if there lucky they spend 30 days a week at college a year ( day release) the rest of the time should be spent with a plastering company for them to get there full qualifiaction.
20 m2 is a ceiling,i can skim 3-4 ceilings a day mixing and cleaning my own tools with ease.
And i never went to college and learnt the proper methods.
It is harder to get the meterage in the smaller houses and apartments there building now days,but come on 30m2 for a young boy thats just completed 2 years at college learning the trade,30 m2 is nothing.
20 m2 is a ceiling,i can skim 3-4 ceilings a day mixing and cleaning my own tools with ease.
And i never went to college and learnt the proper methods.
It is harder to get the meterage in the smaller houses and apartments there building now days,but come on 30m2 for a young boy thats just completed 2 years at college learning the trade,30 m2 is nothing.
skimming your talking about an apprentice trained spread of which i would expect to be able to complete a 20mtr ceiling but if you have never ventured outside the college walls your lucky if you have spread an area bigger than 10mtr
i never went to college when i was learning i strated with the cupboards reveals boxings after id mixed up for my old man he wouldnt let me near a big wall an its right when you can pick up the s**t quickly the big areas are a piece of piss
have you tried getting a job with a local spread ricky? offer your services as a labourer/improver if you can put on 20mtrs a day along side a bit of mixing an cleaning up you will pay for yourself and pick up a bit aswell where are you based?
i never went to college when i was learning i strated with the cupboards reveals boxings after id mixed up for my old man he wouldnt let me near a big wall an its right when you can pick up the s**t quickly the big areas are a piece of piss
have you tried getting a job with a local spread ricky? offer your services as a labourer/improver if you can put on 20mtrs a day along side a bit of mixing an cleaning up you will pay for yourself and pick up a bit aswell where are you based?
skimmin2day
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Mate im not being arrogant or bigheaded here,im not the type of guy that wants to make u look like a t**t so i look good like many do.... im honestly just telling you how i see it.
i dont know what college you went too ??? but i could teach a monkey to skim 30 m2 a day on boards in 3months to a decent standard .
Look at it like this..... every room has a ceiling and a 4x5 ceiling is 20m2.
if that college you went to didnt teach you to plaster a ceiling this size on your own then they shouldnt be teaching you.(simple as that) and a ceiling that big takes 2 hrs on site MAX.
i dont know what college you went too ??? but i could teach a monkey to skim 30 m2 a day on boards in 3months to a decent standard .
Look at it like this..... every room has a ceiling and a 4x5 ceiling is 20m2.
if that college you went to didnt teach you to plaster a ceiling this size on your own then they shouldnt be teaching you.(simple as that) and a ceiling that big takes 2 hrs on site MAX.
hiya napper im from manchester mate what skimming is talking about i think like you say is an apprentice who is out working and going to college the biggest amount you do is 6m2 in college and you get 2-3 hours. ive tred everone local council apprenticeships look on the net every day job centre /agy / and tryed on here thanx mate
skimmin2day
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NAPPER READ THIS MATE
few month back i applied to the college to get an apprentise with me,guy comes round my house and talks me through the process says should be no problem.
He arranged another meeting with augy from the building sextion of the college to meet me on site at house i was doing a basement conversion on.
gets talking with this guy and hes asking me if i do this and do that etc etc and filling a form out.
Then he gets to do you do rendeering? i say yes but only internal rendering.i explain i dont wanna get involved with bad weather scaffolding issues and being under cut my monocouche spray plastering etc,plus the fact i work on my own so it hard to do for me. OK HE SAYS
Next he asks do you do solid internal plastering ,yes i say ubt not often as its nearly all board work nowdays.He says he will need to do this at least 1-2 times a onth for his portfolio.
becuse od these reasons and also becuse i do other trades also i couldnt get an apprentise with me.
but the local college had at that time 36 students without placement.
And that is just gonna grow and grow
few month back i applied to the college to get an apprentise with me,guy comes round my house and talks me through the process says should be no problem.
He arranged another meeting with augy from the building sextion of the college to meet me on site at house i was doing a basement conversion on.
gets talking with this guy and hes asking me if i do this and do that etc etc and filling a form out.
Then he gets to do you do rendeering? i say yes but only internal rendering.i explain i dont wanna get involved with bad weather scaffolding issues and being under cut my monocouche spray plastering etc,plus the fact i work on my own so it hard to do for me. OK HE SAYS
Next he asks do you do solid internal plastering ,yes i say ubt not often as its nearly all board work nowdays.He says he will need to do this at least 1-2 times a onth for his portfolio.
becuse od these reasons and also becuse i do other trades also i couldnt get an apprentise with me.
but the local college had at that time 36 students without placement.
And that is just gonna grow and grow
skimmin2day said:
Well it looks like we are going to have to dissagree mate, which I'm sure we are both man enough to cope with
Me and you are both very experianced it seems, I was on a job last week that was a dream the walls were huge and it was cold, I was doing 3 mixes a day around 30 metres per mix and was just cruising along, I had loads of time to go have a fag and a natter to the lads and show my aprentice what to do (and useing a Razerback - more about that soon) but some people learn from slow spreads some learn from fast ones.
I firmly belive he is best going slow, getting it right and keeping his job speed will come later
sorry lads just measured my ceiling like you say skimming it is 5x4 20m2 for some reason i thought it was about 10-12m2 so i recon icould do that celing and 2 walls per day what would make 35- 40m2 . but as regards portfolios and going out with a fulltime plasterer theres has been non of that just 2 days a week college and half day is theory
i know it take the piss abit them are the reasons my old man trained me up he wanted me to get a proper apprenticeship but the citb make it hard i suppose they are only looking after the kids interests i could of got on with a few general builders but as they didnt do alot of plastering all the time i couldnt get a citb backed apprenticeship so i ended up learnin on the job with my old man got lucky tho the firm we worked for put all there lads through the cscs scheme even subbys
skimmin2day
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60 m2 is not pushing it though not on ceilings,60m2 by lunch is pushing it.... but not in a day.
The college i recently spoke with told me there are different courses btec national diploma and nvq,with the later being the most popular route.
Maybe they have different methods of teaching??????
Well son...get some boards up in ur dads garage on the ceiling and walls and pracise on them in the evenings just kepp pva ing them and reskimming till they drop with the weight.Within 1 month you ll be putting the lid and a wall on at the same time and the next walls in final set.
The college i recently spoke with told me there are different courses btec national diploma and nvq,with the later being the most popular route.
Maybe they have different methods of teaching??????
Well son...get some boards up in ur dads garage on the ceiling and walls and pracise on them in the evenings just kepp pva ing them and reskimming till they drop with the weight.Within 1 month you ll be putting the lid and a wall on at the same time and the next walls in final set.
skimmin2day
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2 coats out of 1 mix will speed up the setting time till polish thats all.
it's still 2 coats over the same size area which takes the same time to trowel apply polish etc...
it's still 2 coats over the same size area which takes the same time to trowel apply polish etc...
skimmin2day
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Do what the college teah you,well for now anyway!!
When you get upto speed you l find your method/style to suit you.
Like the guy says eveness is the key well on the second coat.
When you get upto speed you l find your method/style to suit you.
Like the guy says eveness is the key well on the second coat.
Depends on you.ricky 10 said:
1 mix 2 coats is a fastser set so smaller meterage.
If you do 2 mixes you get extra time but not necasarilly more meterage per day.
Experiment mate. Do one thing one day then another the next and see what your happiest with, but what ever you do make sure its allways right and payable.
skimmin2day
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Over time youll no what u can lay in a set,you gotta push yourself,else youl never get anywhere.
I remeber the first time i did a stairwell wall on my own in 1 hit.
i looked at it and looked at it,and in the end dedcided to do tophalf of the plank and a small single wall and blend bottom half in next set.
next time i did one said right im gonna doit this time and bottled it again.
i think on the 4 attempt at doing one i went for it just got the second coat on as it was gettign hard to apply,gave it a good dose of water to bring it back to life and i kept the wall alive and it turned out really good.iwas so proud thinking i was the bees knees.
now i wouldnt even think twice about it id just do it and most prob put the ceiling on whilst on the plank.
you gotta push yourself or ull never get there.
If i kept bottling it all the time id still be put 3 wallsa day on.
I remeber the first time i did a stairwell wall on my own in 1 hit.
i looked at it and looked at it,and in the end dedcided to do tophalf of the plank and a small single wall and blend bottom half in next set.
next time i did one said right im gonna doit this time and bottled it again.
i think on the 4 attempt at doing one i went for it just got the second coat on as it was gettign hard to apply,gave it a good dose of water to bring it back to life and i kept the wall alive and it turned out really good.iwas so proud thinking i was the bees knees.
now i wouldnt even think twice about it id just do it and most prob put the ceiling on whilst on the plank.
you gotta push yourself or ull never get there.
If i kept bottling it all the time id still be put 3 wallsa day on.
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