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So if you could replicate same condition and substrate for a new render to go on to be it brick or block work.

If you did 1 of each system

Sand & cement
Mono
Thin coat 1.5m silicone

All completed to correct spec which would you have most confidence being in the best condition in 10 then 20 yrs time?

I'm trying to say if they could be compared in like a lab situation with application errors and such eradicated which product gets your confidence and why?

Zombie
 
No contest really ! I agree with the above 2. It's head and shoulders ahead with strength , flexibility and weather resistant . And if you have to refresh it after 10-20 years it's much easier and cheaper!Also it's maybe 1/2 or even 1/3 of the weight that s&c and mono will put on
 
vfr12 said:
No contest really ! I agree with the above 2. It's head and shoulders ahead with strength , flexibility and weather resistant . And if you have to refresh it after 10-20 years it's much easier and cheaper!Also it's maybe 1/2 or even 1/3 of the weight that s&c and mono will put on
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This exactley my train of thought!

However I don't render a great deal but when I do I like a thin coat system.

Which leads me to my next question, why is there such popularity with mono?

I see the flaws with sand & cement work, inconsistent mixes, the need to paint generally, no mesh, the need for a cement mixer and bloody hard work to apply.

Mono need a machine, discolours etc, possibley brittle surface,

Silicone, no need for machine, fully meshed, weatherproof and anticrack silicone and don't need a cement mixer.

So why do everyone not just push silicone?

Or is it purley that the customers prefer the finish on the sample boards?
 
Agree with everyone that's why I push with confidence 1.5 silicone nano, it's the only product for a timber frame what does that tell you
 
its the cost. Most of the customer don't know anything about thin coat,but EWI and it's like convincing them croissant and cheese is better than full English breakfast :D.
 
Forgot to mention over bare brick or blocks it will be not cost effective to go strait on with thin coat.
 
zombie said:
This exactley my train of thought!

However I don't render a great deal but when I do I like a thin coat system.

Which leads me to my next question, why is there such popularity with mono?

I see the flaws with sand & cement work, inconsistent mixes, the need to paint generally, no mesh, the need for a cement mixer and bloody hard work to apply.

Mono need a machine, discolours etc, possibley brittle surface,

Silicone, no need for machine, fully meshed, weatherproof and anticrack silicone and don't need a cement mixer.

So why do everyone not just push silicone?

Or is it purley that the customers prefer the finish on the sample boards?
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a thin coat is an 'onion'
base coat, mesh, base coat, primer, top coat.
mono - one application 15mm on, home time
difference =cost
mono wont discolour if sealed correctly also they give difference finished appearance.
 
Leeroy said:
Agree with everyone that's why I push with confidence 1.5 silicone nano, it's the only product for a timber frame what does that tell you
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its not though is it,
I use thin coats as well as ehi in equal measure on carrier boards.
 
but saying that a good sand cement render will last a long time if done right,
horses for courses I guess, you pay your monies you take your choice.
 
It's true, none of them know the difference that's why they all call it Krend haha, but I find you have to educate them and tell them the differences. But sometimes you can loose, a job. I quoted for a nano thinset as they wanted the best, someone came in cheaper and did it in mono the Customer didn't know the difference, but they will in several years
 
I'm building my own house next year, with a mixture of stone and render on the external, the render I'm choosing will be mono blanc.
 
owls said:
its not though is it,
I use thin coats as well as ehi in equal measure on carrier boards.
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The timber frame company I do thincoat for have had problems with mono on timber frames but never had a problems with Jub system which I use
 
Leeroy said:
The timber frame company I do thincoat for have had problems with mono on timber frames but never had a problems with Jub system which I use
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I'm not suprised you've had problems, its not designed for it.
but you can use a lightweight and flexible version of mono such as ehi on timber frame buildings/and or insulation.
 
No I've never used mono on timber frame mate that was my point, only ever thincoat as it made for the job. I've never used ehi i stick to what I know
 
zombie said:
This exactley my train of thought!

However I don't render a great deal but when I do I like a thin coat system.

Which leads me to my next question, why is there such popularity with mono?

I see the flaws with sand & cement work, inconsistent mixes, the need to paint generally, no mesh, the need for a cement mixer and bloody hard work to apply.

Mono need a machine, discolours etc, possibley brittle surface,

Silicone, no need for machine, fully meshed, weatherproof and anticrack silicone and don't need a cement mixer.

So why do everyone not just push silicone?

Or is it purley that the customers prefer the finish on the sample boards?
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I always push thin coat. Have done for years. I saw the negatives of mono and didn't bother pushing it anymore. There's negatives to thin coat too. The repeat visits can be a ballache but in the long run thin coat is a better job IMO.
 
That's why i've got an Eze 24. I'm sure if I did mono i'd buy a ritmo but a ritmo is overkill for thin coat.
 
what's bucket coat like over OCR has anyone done it I like the idea of bucket coat over whatever what's the crack if it's block work what's the build up for that
 
It goes almost over everything . The basecoat adhesive is so strong that sticks even to wood and metal, well they won't give you warranties for that:D
 
vfr12 said:
It goes almost over everything . The basecoat adhesive is so strong that sticks even to wood and metal, well they won't give you warranties for that:D
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I had an accident and ended up with splatters on the van roof. It's still there over 9 months later and it won't budge! Strong stuff!
 
Rossi46 said:
I had an accident and ended up with splatters on the van roof. It's still there over 9 months later and it won't budge! Strong stuff!
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I did the same mate, I just sold the van tonight and couldn't get it off properly
 
Cure for the tranis- brush it with basecoat and sponge it with the top coat. No rust for the next 20 years!:D
 
Your all full of s**t with your fancy render talk .....you sound like gossoping women.

Ive just taught my 5 year old how to swim after 6 weeks ...it was traumatising.
Your new render comes ready fuucking mixed......get a grip you pansies.

Its like spreading margarine.
Get a fuucking grip
 
algeeman said:
Your all full of s**t with your fancy render talk .....you sound like gossoping women.

Ive just taught my 5 year old how to swim after 6 weeks ...it was traumatising.
Your new render comes ready fuucking mixed......get a grip you pansies.

Its like spreading margarine.
Get a fuucking grip
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any spread will tell ya in rendering the mix is upmost important .....your shite is ready mixed.
stop with the brain surgeon bollox
 
how do you go on for rubbing up awkward shapes an stuff like curves with that bucket coat if your using a flat plastic trowel is there something else
 
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