will we be plastering in 10 years time?

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skimmin2day

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With the way modern house construction is going i dont think it will be long before most houses will be kit formed and just slotted into place with all electrics plumbing plastering and decoration already done etc.
Now body wants to wait now days,its got to be instant.
Construction companys are no different and waiting 5 months to turn a house around wont be the norm for much longer in my opinion
Modern construction as we know it right now is in for big changes.
Its going that way for sure in the next 10 years there will be little if any need for interior plastering on any newly built houses in my opinion.
Even exterior plastering could be lost on new houses?
Ive seen several of these kit houses been built in the last year and ther quick and cheap to construct,there light and energy efficient beyond ur wildest dreams.
I think this will be the norm very soon.
What do you think well all be doing in ten years ?
will there still be a need for site plastering ?
 
If you stick to ahmed's plan it should not matter as you should have enough money in the bank by then
 
the simple answer is yes we will or atleast I will, and I can qualify that as I dont do new builds anyway.
 
Surely most new builds are all just taped and filled anyway? They definitely are up in Scotland. All of my work is domestic and due to the shite weather up here, i very rarely do outside work. As for me doing this line of work in 10 years, given im 42.......i doubt it.
 
i watched this program on tell late last night about a guy that built and desisgned his own kit home,and that sort of got me thinking.
Watching that and a combination of 8 cans of strongbow made me write this post.
Im sure plasterers will still be required but maybe not as much,and plastering technkques wil have changed dramaticly?
Well al be using plastic trowels and stilts no longer required as well be on self hovering platforms etc.
Just wish i had a crystal ball
 
Yes i think it was on grand designs,he wants to build these houses instead of doing comercial steel fabrications.
It was his first project designed by him. it ran like clock work.
they built the houses in no time and that was his first attemp it had carpet the fckin lot all ready installed.
They been building houses like that in sweden and germany for years now apparently
 
When you consider the large stock of brick built homes I would think there will still be plently to do. Anyway BG will invent a new plaster which will retain heat in the walls or plasterboard or somthing new like that.
 
we'll all be doing flexcement or wallcrete or 'skimming on a roll' you mark my words... :RpS_biggrin:

in all seriousness though, if you can come up with a better solution to cover masonary or plasterboard that offers the same benefits as plaster then you should be working for bg or on dragons den...

I just think the game will evolve, same way it has done for donkeys, youre trowel might be a different kind of material/shape, hell it might even be motorised and connected to the friggin internet and the stuff youre using might be 'superflexipolymer' based (may contain nuts) but essentially the 'finish' trade will still be here in one form or another...

I'd put money on it that people were saying the same thing 10 years ago, and 10 years before that etc etc...

like what sandy said innit...

edit: and henry etc etc
 
Well maybe artex will make a come back and will be doing swirls stipple's and bark pattern again LOl never say never
 
I fcuking wont back, elbows and now carpal tunnel syndrome i doupt if i wll be doing it next year, also developing some kind of mental ilness with the way this world is going hopefully they will lock me up soon and i wont have to worry about nothing.
 
skimmin2day said:
it will evolve Chris of course ur right.But which way ?
Iron on plaster on a roll ? Spray ? Id love to know....
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god knows mate but one thing i reckon i can be sure of...
it'll get easier..
which means any old muppet could do it...
which means there'll be less money in it...
its a young mans game now, in 10 years time its gonna be a school leavers game, something to do if theyve spunked their education, on a par with packing gift sets in a factory...
skimmings heading that way already, and with the development of one coat spray on plasters the effort involved is already on its way out...
its only a matter of time before everyone gets on the 'projection machine' bandwagon, the machines will simplify due to the further development of the material used and the next thing you know youll be able to pick up a 'sparky' projection machine, perfectly capable of doing the job beit thincoat over insulated board or whatever for about a onner...
the only way 'plasterers' are gonna survive is to get involved in something reasonably new before every f'cker else does... and keep doing it...
all these silly boys spending 2 or 3 years doing nvq courses in a trade where operatives are already 10 a penny have already missed the boat...
my advice to you mate, if youre havin a crisis, is just keep your eyes open and if something feels right, get on it and dont look back..
im as sick of breaking my back just to break even as you and god knows how many others, but im just not gonna let it worry me, why worry about something you cant control...
there will always be the exploiters and the exploited, but that works in both directions believe it or not... you dont always have to be the one that shells out thousands...
just be the bloke that makes it happen and then youve got all the cards... more power to the elbow so to speak...
waffle waffle and i aint even had a beer today!
 
I think things will go back to what they were, people will want solid walls rather than a typical board and skim new build so traditional skills will come back. People seem to forget going to college and getting qualified is not the same as someone coming out to site and taking a few pics and ticking a few boxes, then posting you the quals. In college you earn the qualifications and actually learn, so its got to be a worth it. It is a lot harder to find work but it was in the early 90's when i got qualified, then good times come and all my mates who were earning good money doing shity jobs when i was doing my apprenticeship were either out of work, earning s**t money or worse still workin for me lol
 
history would tend to disagree with you flynny...
look at all the other trades, leadwork used to be the domain of the plumber, the was no such thing as 'mitre fast', and coving is now 20 quid a pack from wickes...
 
I agree also that systems have changed and ive also changed to suit the materials but if your not qualified to do all disciplines of plastering you have more chance of failing. A lot of the big sites mainly the apartments have all their bathrooms/shower rooms delivered and slotted in complete, appart from connecting the hot and cold on a speed fitting so plumbers also have a similar problem, so will plumbers still survive? The answer is yes coz most work they do needs re-doing which is the same as plastering.
 
thats just it, it'll be 'plastering' but not as we know it jim...
people spending years learning to 2 coat skim or float and set are wasting theyre time imo...
they'd be better off doing a machine plastering course, learn how to use spats and sponges and one coat gear...
yes, trowel skills are still required but the effort involved will be minimal, there'll be less to go wrong and less to think about...
it'll be 'one size fits all', still a trade in its own right but similar to the difference between lime plastering and hardwall/multi...

well, perhaps not 'one size fits all' but in the way of internals it will be...
the externals at the minute seem to have gone all 'eifs,ocr,etc etc'... the people that are using these systems are keeping it to themselves what the f'ck eifs actually stands for and i dont blame them... that is where you need to be at the minute and into the future... ive not done any yet although ive got a couple of jobs coming up this year that'll very probably be some sort of insulated thincoat system (regs etc) and i'll put money on it that when i get stuck into it it wont exactly be rocket science...

'window fitters' used to known as 'carpenters' before pvc came about...

'plasterers' will probably be known as 'sprayers' or 'wall coating technicians'...
 
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skimmin2day said:
Yes i think it was on grand designs,he wants to build these houses instead of doing comercial steel fabrications.
It was his first project designed by him. it ran like clock work.
they built the houses in no time and that was his first attemp it had carpet the fckin lot all ready installed.
They been building houses like that in sweden and germany for years now apparently
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That bloke rang me one Friday night to see if I could come and do a load of patching work on that place, that weekend, but as it happens, I was too busy to help him. Bit cheeky wanting it done with no notice though.
It's about 10 miles away - he had an open day a couple of weeks after the programme was first on and the entire village was jammed solid with motors!
 
When I was an apprentice we visited BG factory and they told us that in 10 years time we would not be plastering at all!! that was 32 years ago. Yes changes will come but if you are a GOOD plasterer who can do the full range of plastering then you will always find work, people were and to a certain extent still struggling to find spreads who can float and set.
 
I think houses will be allmost entirely made of plastic before long.

If you think about it, bricks are a pretty outdated thing, heavy and slow.

Full walls can be made in a factory pre insulated and have built in windows etc.

In the same way some kids toy houses are made but on a bigger scale.
 
but it has changed..
carlite finish - multi..
one coat internals
ocr
thincoat
mono
machines

and these days, with the fuel crisis its all about document 'L' - conservation of fuel and power (think the 2010 version has a slightly different name but its essentially the same thing) which means in future years just about everything you touch is gonna be insulated to silly levels, so thats gonna be your 'float', and your 'set' is gonna be whatever you chuck on top - if anything.. :RpS_unsure:

theyve been machine plastering in other countries a lot longer than we have....
 
Its changed massively in the last 20 years and it will change even more,probably to a point where plastering as we know it now by hand is not required.
 
i dont think its changed that much at all stuff like alltek and these spray finishes wont take off here
 
ill bet they said that about direct bond dry lining..
nay ashley, youll never mek it pay, I SAY YOULL NEVER MEK IT PAY!!
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The room you are in will always need refurbing at some point in time so there will be plenty to get on with.

Allteck Knauf and the likes are not going anywhere, they are plugging at architects and the like to get the product on the wall and in the meantime Plasterers are looking at it like its a waste of time and money.(although they all agree the finish is good)
This is where plasterers will loose work. There is a minimum skill involved in spraying this stuff, spatting it can be learnt in a day and sanding it has no real skill either. you could train up community service yobs to do it in a week and you cant fuckit up because it sands to nothing.
New house you could pay a taper 50p to prep it all and pay some team on the books to spray and sand it and you will still earn money if you go in at £3.00 supply and fix. Go on the www and you will notice that painters do most of these sites in europe and usa and they earn shite money

Large companies like redrow taylors etc are only concerned with cost then its the contractors who want the speed and the subbies worry about quality,
 
The finnish is excellent like you say,but untill the big sites are using it all the time it wil never catch on.
Also lots of plasterers are scared of it,so theyl just stick with what they know.
 
theblones said:
Large companies like redrow taylors etc are only concerned with cost then its the contractors who want the speed and the subbies worry about quality,
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Spot on.

There's still domestic and renovation work boys.

Quite frankly, I'm planning on being on the sick or dead in 10yrs time. Happy days!
 
i did a hotel where they were using the USG stuff and the gang doing it were asked how many finished rooms per week they said 9 plus a corridor we gave them 15 skimmed and a corridor bye bye spray gang
 
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