frankie boyles take on Syria

stuart23

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Nothing more perfectly embodies White America than a 70 year old golfer firing missiles at the Middle East from his country club. Some sticks in the mud probably expect a host of formalities to be gone through before attacking another country: a UN investigation, or congressional approval perhaps, but personally I'm just glad to see a guy with the temperament of a mistreated circus animal launching ballistic missiles on a hunch. It seems statesmanlike and decisive.

It's difficult to tell what Syria's moderate rebels are really like, as journalists can't really be embedded with them, because they'd be beheaded. But I refuse to be cynical: there's every chance that Assad's end will see a peaceful, pastoral period for Syria once groups like Allah's Flamethrower and Infidel Abattoir get round the table and good-naturedly sort out their deep seated differences on the finer points of Islamic Law. Perhaps this is a period which Syrians will one day look back on and laugh, if laughter is still allowed.

Not only will Democrats support any war Trump chooses to start, they'll be outraged by any voters who hold it against them at the next election. Hillary Clinton called for the airstrikes immediately before they happened. We'd do well to listen to the woman who is the architect of modern Libya, where her neoliberal intervention introduced the principals of the free market with such clarity that the country now has several different governments competing for the right to kill everybody. Clinton was criticised for running a tone-deaf, aloof campaign but Democrats have rallied, pointing out that many people didn't vote for Hilary because Trump is a Russian spy, and people who didn't vote for Hillary are Russian stooges, and people who voted for Hillary but not very enthusiastically are also Russian stooges, and slowly but surely the goodwill has begun to return.

Personally, I think it would be great if Putin was controlling Trump. I'd love to think there was a rational, malevolent actor directing him rather than just a combination of his own blood sugar levels and the concept of vengeance. I honestly think we'd be in less trouble if he was being controlled by the dark wizard Thoth Amon, or if his body had been taken over by a sentient bacterial civilisation that was using him as a kind of Lifeship. I'm not saying it's impossible that Trump was moved by the plight of Syria's children, perhaps in the same way that Tony Soprano got really upset when that guy killed his horse, it's just that the balance of probabilities is that he doesn't care about them, even enough not to ban them from entering his country.

The Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said that the UK government had close discussions with the US over the few days running up to the attack and had been given "advance notice of the President's final decision". Odd then, that immediately after the chemical attack the Guardian cites Downing Street officials (on a tour of despots with the prime minister in the Middle East) who, when asked about military reprisals, said “nobody is talking about that”. Sort of makes you wonder if there's any contempt that can be shown by the US that will stop us drooling about our "special relationship" like we're some kind of stalker. I doubt the Americans see us as a valued ally. We're just somewhere that they stick a few missiles. My best guess is that they think of us in the way that we would think of a shed.

At the prospect of a war, the media reacted with the exuberant joy that I remember fights bringing to a school playground. War copy sells well, and is easier to write. A good way to get a handle on the media's attitude to conflict is to try to write a thousand words on a United Nations sponsored bilateral negotiation, then the same on a missile cutting a hospital in half. The Guardian exuberantly described the "pinpoint accuracy" of Tomahawks. I'm not sure accuracy is strictly relevant when you're delivering high explosives, the ultimate variable. In the West, we've never needed the military spectaculars favoured by Soviets and dictators; the news has always been our missile parade. On MSNBC the launch of the Tomahawks was repeatedly described as "beautiful". And there is a certain beauty at that point in their trajectory. Perhaps we should focus on some other point. It would be nice to see a shot of them ten seconds before they drop on their screaming victims. Or two days later when bodies are being pulled from the rubble. Maybe a shot from ten years down the line when the shell casings form part of a makeshift gallows, reflected in the glass eye of an implacable amputee warlord. Perhaps our whole f**k*d up attitude to war comes from only ever seeing our missiles taking off, only ever seeing our soldiers setting out.

Ignoring international law is bad for all sorts of reasons, not least because it's the same position as Assad's. Knowing that our own resolve is only strengthened when people attack us and expecting other people's to be weakened is suggestive of a kind of racism. Pouring arms and bombs into an intractable conflict means that you are happy for it to be prolonged and worsen. Britain's activities in the Middle East historically mean we almost can't imagine what a moral position might look like. We have a huge navy that we could use to pick up the thousands of Syrians, Libyans and others scheduled to drown in the Mediterranean this year, for a fraction of the cost of the bombs we've dropped on them. I wonder if those people know, clambering onto boats with their frightened children, many of whom have never seen the sea before and will never see land again, that we aggressively tune out images like this, should they ever reach us at all. That we see all these lives we could save as part of a chaotic, insoluble mess, better not thought about; we who focus so intently on the sleek, clear lines of bombs.https://www.facebook.com/FrankieBoyl...76804212360940
 
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Couldn't be arsed reading all that, but seeing as the guy is an absolute bell end and the fact you have posted it it will be full of sh it
 
I think it's the US warmongering again. I don't think assad dropped those chemical bombs, pretty much any neutral thinkz the same, as he had nothing to gain from it whatsoever, would only have brought problems, and lots of Syrian people still freely support assad. I think it's to do with assad being anti zionist, with the US funding the Israeli illegal state, and syria, not being under control the good old Roth child central bank and having oil. There are plenty of despots around Africa and other developing nations. Also frankie Boyle is funny.
 
I think it's the US warmongering again. I don't think assad dropped those chemical bombs, pretty much any neutral thinkz the same, as he had nothing to gain from it whatsoever, would only have brought problems, and lots of Syrian people still freely support assad. I think it's to do with assad being anti zionist, with the US funding the Israeli illegal state, and syria, not being under control the good old Roth child central bank and having oil. There are plenty of despots around Africa and other developing nations. Also frankie Boyle is funny.


Who was behind the 2013 chemical attack ?
 
Couldn't be arsed reading all that, but seeing as the guy is an absolute bell end and the fact you have posted it it will be full of sh it

Coming from the guy that's responsible for some of the worst posts I've ever read on an Internet forum
 
I don't know an awful lot about the circumstances of the first, or granted this one either, but there was to he no positives for him deliberately carrying out this attack? But he has absolutely nothing to gain if he did. As said, any impartial/and plenty of American) commentators find it highly improbable, assad carried out this attack. Tbh I take very little notice of our media's perceptions of the middle east. As they tend to be hugely biased to the western outlook on the matters, eg pro Israel etc etc. Hopefully if they get rid of assad maybe then they will make sure they sort it out better than Libya et al
 
I don't know an awful lot about the circumstances of the first, or granted this one either, but there was to he no positives for him deliberately carrying out this attack? But he has absolutely nothing to gain if he did. As said, any impartial/and plenty of American) commentators find it highly improbable, assad carried out this attack. Tbh I take very little notice of our media's perceptions of the middle east. As they tend to be hugely biased to the western outlook on the matters, eg pro Israel etc etc. Hopefully if they get rid of assad maybe then they will make sure they sort it out better than Libya et al



Assad may not have directly ordered, but that doesn't mean his army didn't, he has lost control of the country.

Is the answer to remove ?

It didn't work in Libya or Iraq really. If gaddafi and saddam were alive today the world would be a safer place today that's for sure.
 
I agree. Libyans are worse of now because gaddafi is gone. If assad is removed, who is he replaced with, a rebel leader? Not good either. I still think it's a lot to do with the central banks being indebted to the Roth child family. Plus there is no profit in peace.
 
Only some Libyans and Iraqis are worse off. What about "the dissapeared", and didn't Sadam gas kurds? ......
Granted the mass exodus is not what the rest of the world wanted. But another war in the long history of wars in the Middle East will not be a good idea.
I think some of Mr Boyle's rhetoric is thought provoking and funny.......
 
Only some Libyans and Iraqis are worse off. What about "the dissapeared", and didn't Sadam gas kurds? ......
Granted the mass exodus is not what the rest of the world wanted. But another war in the long history of wars in the Middle East will not be a good idea.
I think some of Mr Boyle's rhetoric is thought provoking and funny.......



Yes saddam did gas the Kurds, gaddafi was no angel either, but by in large they kept the region in check.

Actually I think most Libyans are now worse off
 
Libya had better economic growth, more development and better education under gaddafi. Since he's split the anti gaddafi rebels have just split into more militia fighting each other for control. I'd say they were better off with him (for the most part) and saddam would probably still he there of it wasn't for the WMD lies we were fed to make us want to go to war with him and on terror. Since he's was killed, Good ole IS IS have got a foot hold. Who would u rather have. Why is Israel crimes on Palestine not worthy of stepping in on. Also on the talk of chemical bombs, why was the US never brought to book over the bombs on nagasaki and hiroshima. Surely they were heinous war crimes on a par with other atrocities. To murder hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese people?
 
We, the west, have meddled in the Middle East since oil was discovered. We befriend the despots we couldn't control, arm those we can persuade to "help us to control" those that we find too "difficult".... and then recoil in abject horror when these malevolent shitbags start avenging age old rifts we know f**k all about. We fuelled Sadam's rise to power, and to an extent Gadaffi as well. To an extent both under control and a stabilising force in the area, well, as long as they only gassed and tortured their own. All of which was brought about by our own elite, mostly for their own benefit....then along comes Blair.........
Before Blair there was no Isis.
 
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Assad may not have directly ordered, but that doesn't mean his army didn't, he has lost control of the country.

Is the answer to remove ?

It didn't work in Libya or Iraq really. If gaddafi and saddam were alive today the world would be a safer place today that's for sure.
You were praising trump for taking action few days ago and now you are turning side?
 
Yeah, but there is better one in England- Boris. Total embarrassment and joke.


Really? The only politician to speak out against the Saudis.
The guy who reduced the congestion zone area in London. Which is now being made much more expensive under a labour led mayor.
The guy who led us to brexit.
He is a winner and a political legend ;)
He won two terms as mayor in a city that is almost 100% labour
 
You were praising trump for taking action few days ago and now you are turning side?



No not changing sides, and still think the attack on an Assad airbase was right, however yes Assad needs removing but the trouble is, Isis have a large stronghold.
 
I think Nostradamus made prophecies regarding the 1st world war, and the 2nd which some say are born out by history........and they say he also predicted that the conflict that ends the world for mankind begins in the Middle East..........If you believe in that sort of thing........
Makes you wonder.
 
We, the west, have meddled in the Middle East since oil was discovered. We befriend the despots we couldn't control, arm those we can persuade to "help us to control" those that we find too "difficult".... and then recoil in abject horror when these malevolent shitbags start avenging age old rifts we know f**k all about. We fuelled Sadam's rise to power, and to an extent Gadaffi as well. To an extent both under control and a stabilising force in the area, well, as long as they only gassed and tortured their own. All of which was brought about by our own elite, mostly for their own benefit....then along comes Blair.........
Before Blair there was no Isis.



Wouldn't it of been easier then and now, to source something that replaces the need for oil ?
 
Wouldn't it of been easier then and now, to source something that replaces the need for oil ?
Absolutely, and just when science gets close....cars that run on hydrogen for instance......more oil is discovered, so the enthusiasm for change diminishes.
Much of the elite in the west owe their wealth and power either directly or indirectly to oil.....it's called "black gold" for a reason.
 
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