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Would u trust the other knob heads 25mtrs round the corner not to unplug you?
Don't think you can anyway, I think u need your own tranny direct to 240v source. So u may swell get the 240!lol
Currys got one he will give a solid answer Im sure
 
yes you can but use 15 mts of cable not 25. u need seperate 16 amp for ritmo and seperate 16 amp for comp and water pump
 
Last person that unplugged me during a mix hot his plugs cut rite there infront ov him ha . And I wdnt hesitate to do it again lol. So we talking 8 kva genny ? There's 2 reasons I'm thinking of 110 I got sick ov all the questions with the g4 ! Know body said a word on external jobs on site the minit we took it into a building there always seemed to be a big fuss. Also thers a 110 one on eBay n it's a power coat
 
I don't want to start a war here, but it is clear that 230v / 240v is not allowed on most sites in the UK. Members of the forum have also stated they have been told they are not allowed. Although the HSE say they allow it, it is down to the Principal contractor. If they say 'no 230v' then no matter what documentation you have, it will still not be allowed.

I am not saying this to stop or hinder the sales of 230v machines as they may have their place on the domestic market, however the same dangers are still present. I am saying this so people do not think they can go straight onto site and use these machines. We have come across Companies who have not been allowed to work on site due to having these machines. If there was no issue with these voltage of machines we would sell them as we have access to them as well.

Below is an extract passed on by the HSE, I want to stress certain safety points they mention whilst using this machinery. They also mention that most large contractors wont allow them on site.

I have sought assistance from the relevant specialists within HSE. Please find their response pasted below:-

"Most electric shocks are between a live part and earth as a result of a fault or damage to plugs, cables or equipment. Long experience in the UK has shown that the use of reduced low voltage portable electrical tools and equipment (eg 110v) on building sites will effectively eliminate the risk of death and greatly reduce the degree of injury in the event of an electrical fault. Therefore the best way to reduce such a risk is to keep the supply voltage to the lowest necessary for the job to be done. This combats the risk at source, and helps ensure the protection of all workers on site.
This is why most large contractors don't allow it on site. However it is their decision as the Principal Contractor(s). HSE does allow 230/240v on site (indeed most site cabins are on 230/240v) however using 230/240v supply requires additional precautions such as:


  • residual current devices (RCDs) which are protected from damage, checked daily, inspected weekly and tested every 3 months by an electrician.
  • protecting leads from physical and water damage.
  • using tools that are double insulated and robust enough to withstand the work environment.
  • Tools will need checks by the user everytime it is used, as well as inspection and testing by a competent person.



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ryan i know what ur saying but iv used a 240 on pretty much every major national consruction companies sites. just had to use appropriate breakers and plugs etc
 
nickelarse said:
ryan i know what ur saying but iv used a 240 on pretty much every major national consruction companies sites. just had to use appropriate breakers and plugs etc
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I not saying every site will stop you. There is a very high chance though - Is it worth the risk?

I'm unsure on how to attach documents here but I have a CDM from a building developer and the F10 from the HSE stating:

3/F 15 Temporary Electrical Services

Any temporary electricity supplies will be 110v

I have asked him whether they would allow a Rendering company on to his sites will all the appropriate RCD's etc. He said No...
 
Iv had no problems working internal and external with my 230v. Again Major builders, some even said why use the genny, u can plug into the back of the site box. Sometime they have blue site socket hanging out the back.
 
Right after much questioning (in my head) I have the answer so settle this debate. Use whatever machine you like, irrespective of power source. There all dangerous so what's the difference.

Ryan started war. He likes war! What is it good for?
 
We have never been stopped using 240 volts . We have machine going to a bam site in the morning and guess what's yes it's a 240 volt . And they are very much up on there H&S . Ryan we have 110 volt Ritmo so if companies want this machine it's up to them we also have our new 360 ltr compressor in 110 and its a membrane compressor so it's even better . A lot of guys we have sold to do have a lot of private work on there books and want to plug into direct 240 electric so this machine suits there needs . Some guys already have three phase machines and want a 230 volt ritmo to run from there three phase power source not a problem we can do this and are doing this . You guys know what you can and cant do on site most of you have been doing site work for years ... 110 volts is a money making machine in a way everything goes up in price as soon has its made in 110 volts low volt high amps = more money .
 
Hey Ryan.
I am curious what your opinion is on the 110v PFT ritmo M. This is set up for rendering,backing plasters etc. just the standard one.
 
PFTwales said:
Hey Ryan.
I am curious what your opinion is on the 110v PFT ritmo M. This is set up for rendering,backing plasters etc. just the standard one.
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Not a bad machine Ian,

I would say it does have a few draw backs....

The datasheet states it will only take a maximum grain size of 2mm. This will hold you back if you needed to spray a larger aggregate. I know for thin-coat work the most common grain size is 1.5mm, but there is the occasional job were the larger aggregate is specified.

For Scratch Render, K-Rend say the grain size in their E-Grade can go slightly over 2mm, I have also spoken to Parex who say in normal scratch Render the grain sizes can go up to 3mm.

The Conveying Distance for the Ritmo M is 'up to 7.5m' for Plasters, as stated in the datasheet. This isn't very far... I would be concerned at the excessive wear being caused if you did pump at a greater distance.

Finally the price, I know a few people who own this machine, they have told me the starting price was 'there or there abouts', however, they constantly had to buy attachments to allow them to do other applications. This increased the overall cost of the machine quite dramatically.

It does look the part though
 
Ryan your just reading from a data sheet which tells me you don't really know . Iv seen data sheets that tell you with a three phase pump you need a 20 kva generator .has you know that's not true . So I invite you to come to a Ritmo demonstration 110 volt and we will put to rest your comments . The only one you did get right was for top coat and skimming yes you will need different rotor stator and spray gun set up . Please excepted my invite to you .
 
We certainly don't need a demo on the machine Les or any lessons on it. As you well know, Andrew had a lot of input in the original design of the 110v and 230v Ritmo so I think as a company we do know a thing or two...

As a company we follow datasheets as do most. We do change datasheets if we find the machine or product if different to what is stated. What do you state the maximum pumping distance is for the following:

1. Plaster
2. Backing Coats
3. Renders

This is on the 110v Ritmo.

You should also be aware we do have a 110v and 230v Ritmo in stock :-)

I didn't get my information on the aggregate size of Renders wrong though did I Les....
 
Plasterers1StopShop said:
Not a bad machine Ian,

I would say it does have a few draw backs....

The datasheet states it will only take a maximum grain size of 2mm. This will hold you back if you needed to spray a larger aggregate. I know for thin-coat work the most common grain size is 1.5mm, but there is the occasional job were the larger aggregate is specified.

For Scratch Render, K-Rend say the grain size in their E-Grade can go slightly over 2mm, I have also spoken to Parex who say in normal scratch Render the grain sizes can go up to 3mm.

The Conveying Distance for the Ritmo M is 'up to 7.5m' for Plasters, as stated in the datasheet. This isn't very far... I would be concerned at the excessive wear being caused if you did pump at a greater distance.

Finally the price, I know a few people who own this machine, they have told me the starting price was 'there or there abouts', however, they constantly had to buy attachments to allow them to do other applications. This increased the overall cost of the machine quite dramatically.

It does look the part though
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OK, so having read through that i can see you are getting most of the information from data sheets which probably need updating.

Personally i have not used a 3mm grain in any thin coat job in 15 years neither have we been contacted by an existing customer or am aware of anyone who needed his Ritmo to pump a 3mm grain. Having said that I think if there ever is a market for such a rotor and stator then we would have to discuss the matter with the chiefs at PFT, after all its only gonna be a rotor and stator that is needed not a whole other machine.

Having said that if K rend and Parex say they have a 3mm grain size in their products i can definitely say that the Ritmo can mix and pump these products easily and are being used daily by most of the plasterers we have sold machines to. They will be running at 15 bar or less for 15 mts of hose.

There are no UK Ritmos i know of with only 7.5 mts of pipe. Any Ritmo sold in the UK will be sold with at least 15 mts of material hose, 16mts of air hose. The Ritmo can not be run over 5.8 amps and has a safety cut out installed in the parameters. You cannot put too much strain on the motor as it will simply not run until it cools back down, So there's no need to be concerned about that.

With regards to the attachments that's the best bit Ryan, besides its cheaper to add accessories than buy a whole other machine each time would you not agree The Ritmo M starts off as a basic equipped machine a mixing pump for all your renders and backing plasters. With good advice on materials from their dealer the customer can begin using his machine immediately and start to reap the benefits machine plastering.

We recommend a water pump to anyone using a mixing pump.

Should you want to use the machine for Skim coat plasters then you can add the accessories now you have a machine that can be used for skim as well.

Then you can add a larger compressor and spray gun and the same machine will now pump and spray thin coat renders & adhesive coats. BTW it will mix and pump mineral topcoats aswell which i tested with marmorit sp260.

Any accessory you do buy for the ritmo will pay for itself many many times over when being used for its purpose as i am sure you will agree. When you sell a machine for e.g the EZE 25 you would naturally promote the speed and lack of manpower at which you can apply topcoats as a means of recouping the investment rapidly. As long as you have enough topcoat to go at obviously.

You have to agree though that the Ritmo being the biggest selling plastering machine in the UK. Users are using their machines daily on a variety of jobs and are so pleased with their purchases they are putting promotional videos up on you tube every other week. That just would not happen if they were not using them regularly and the machine was not performing as they hoped it would before they purchased it.



So i guess that clears up any wrong information you may have had Ryan and can i put you down for 2 for the hire fleet (with accessories)

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Regards grain size we have no problems pumping parex webers k rend marmorit knauf so on and so . So yes you were wrong .. did andy design the ez machine as well because if he did some company in france called euromiar may have nicked it ... and by the way I asked you to the demo ryan as we are a plastering and render company that use ritmos day in day out ... its your choice I was going to make you a big slab of humble pie for you take away with you . And lengh of hose for all three is max 20m or 15m ... for top coat more . Offers still the ryan .
 
From what I can see most of the Videos on Youtube are yours 'a dealer' the 3 others are by customers of PFT, and I am pretty sure one now has his for sale on Ebay??

With regards to 2 for the Hire fleet, if you read my post I state we have 2 Ritmos. So thanks for the offer.... Would you like to buy these 2 off us?

You mention accessories after accessories. This cost mounts up and I know of people nearly spending 12k on one of these machines..... How is this cost effective? Could you tell us the price on these accessories as it is of much interest.

I made a valid point earlier on about the 230v issue, and PFT yet again, have tried turning it into a strength in numbers argument over what machine is best etc. I made my original post to advise people about 230v....
 
technoman said:
Regards grain size we have no problems pumping parex webers k rend marmorit knauf so on and so . So yes you were wrong .. did andy design the ez machine as well because if he did some company in france called euromiar may have nicked it ... and by the way I asked you to the demo ryan as we are a plastering and render company that use ritmos day in day out ... its your choice I was going to make you a big slab of humble pie for you take away with you . And lengh of hose for all three is max 20m or 15m ... for top coat more . Offers still the ryan .
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It is not hidden that we deal with Euromair for the EZE 24, we have the rights in the UK for there equipment. We even say we distribute for them. The EZE 24 has been made in 110v specifically for us, the UK market.

Regards grain size I was not wrong... I stated fact and figure. I'm sure these datasheets are going to be re-written and posted up within the next few days as well....

Not a big fan of Pie thanks Les, you can keep it for yourself when we launch our new 110v machine....
 
what another one i thought the ez machine was the best thing since sliced bread mabe not then . pie is loverly you dont know what ya missing . one thing on my mind is ryan who would buy a machine that only pumped 7.5m not me thats for sure .
 
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