Advice on Render on External Wall

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Shah

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Ok Guys,

Need some experienced advice before i get the walls messed up. We have a house that has pebble dashing. I'm talking about the slightly larger pebbles ones all over the property. looks ugly. Its also painted and i am not sure if the quality of the pain is good for anything to key onto. I wanted to get it rendered flat. I was thinking of the following:

Option 1: Removed the old painted Render - Best Option, but too time consuming and messy. Also don't want it to crack the newly plastered walls inside.

Options 2: Buy EML sheet. Fix it onto the craggy wall render and then render on top of the sheet.

ADVICE NEEDED: HOW DO YOU FIX THE EML SHEETS. I have read here https://www.plasterersforum.com/threads/e-m-l-fixing.42601/ that we could use mushroom plugs from R&J's but what are they called as i cannot find them. I did not want to drill holes, insert plug, then insert washer and then galvanised screw etc.. and thought he simpler plastic plug with plastic nail may be a quicker option. Any Ideas..?


Thanks.
 
Why not get a professional round to give you a quote. Might be more cost effective plus piece of mind it's done correctly??
 
Cost is a factor and if i can help do the hard bit (Other than taking off the render!) then that will save money. the property is detached and after we bought it we have had to get everything inc the floor boards etc done. the cost of the renovation has sky rocketed and so need to be a bit more economical. I have a guy who can render and he did the whole house plaster and is very good BUT he has not done anything over this large pebble dashing. I know the EML mesh faced correctly with the large pebble dashing will give a good key for the final render coat, i just wanted to know what would be the easiest way to fix the mesh onto the wall.

I may call a professional to see how much they would charge. I've been so busy with work and have my brother project managing the whole thing. I Have already placed an order for a mobile scaffold to get he job done as its a detached house.

Thanks for your comments.
 
The issue I have is that this is specialist stuff and not really for an unqualified person or DIYer. That's why I suggest you get some quotes off professionals or you may end up making a mess and end up paying twice. It's not personal against you its just honest advice
 
Thanks Marshy. Don't worry your advice is sound. In terms of major DIY, my brother and his builder friend can do most things. he is super keen DIYer and the other guys is a professional builder who has been working for us every day for the last 4 months. We get specialists in to do specialised things like Wood worm, electrical, windows.. etc.. etc..

In terms of getting the job done well, i am not concerned, but the Plasterer/builder chap has not done this.

I have been doing lot's of reading and i am confident this can be done. I just do not know where to buy the plastic screws/plugs/Mushroom plugs from. ones that are max 60mm or so. I will also call a professional, who knows it may be cheaper than the other guy and at least i know they know what they are talking about.

Shah
 
Shah said:
Thanks Marshy. Don't worry your advice is sound. In terms of major DIY, my brother and his builder friend can do most things. he is super keen DIYer and the other guys is a professional builder who has been working for us every day for the last 4 months. We get specialists in to do specialised things like Wood worm, electrical, windows.. etc.. etc..

In terms of getting the job done well, i am not concerned, but the Plasterer/builder chap has not done this.

I have been doing lot's of reading and i am confident this can be done. I just do not know where to buy the plastic screws/plugs/Mushroom plugs from. ones that are max 60mm or so. I will also call a professional, who knows it may be cheaper than the other guy and at least i know they know what they are talking about.

Shah
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Shame you want to save pennies on the finishing touches, people will see the render every day, but your gold plated plunger will be well hidden, you want to save money on something what should be done once and done well, and you prepared to risk it.
Quality rarely comes cheap in my books.
If your existing"plasterer" cannot tell you where to purchase the appropriate materials then I would advise you to go out and look for someone else
Anyway, good luck with your project
 
Thanks Zolco. Unfortunately my gold plated plunger will have to wait!

I agree, quality is always at a premium. Unfortunately it is not a premium i can afford at present. I could wait a few years to get it done and perhaps may be i should, but the god awful pebble dash render is annoying me. I think i have found the fixing i need though - either :

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Will et you guys know in a few years if it was worth it.. i the mean time if i can get itme ill call the pro's to see how much it will cost... may be not as expensive as i think!
 
it is not as simples finding a plastic mushroom fixing. a pull test needs to be carried out first to find out what type of secondary fixing is required. there are lots of different types on the market some are very expensive. it depends what type of system is used. some systems manufacturers will not sell there product to people who are not qualified to use them.

an ewi system is not cheap, and you can not risk letting someone have a go. when we have had a plasterer join us on an ewi system we can not leave him on his own to carry out work he always needs to be supervised.
 
You say you've paid out for "specialist" jobs like woodworm, electrical, windows, If you want your external render to look good and last as it should you're going to have to pay specialists, It's far from a DIY job.
 
MikeAtthis said:
it would have to be stainless steel eml and thats not cheap so hacking off is the cheapest option !!
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agree.

and i wouldnt personally applu a further heavy 15mm onto the pebbledash. that is a lot of weight for the pebbles to hold. mesh or no mesh.

i would recommend hack off or ewi over the top....
 
Yet again people think they can cut costs on the rendering I will assume you will get a cheap quote and go for it you will be back on here asking why it has failed personally I would only quote for a full hack off and start again but that's me painted surfaces are too temperamental to be trying to cut corners yes you can buy stabilisers but not sure if you would wanna pay what they would cost you know what has to be done to make sure it's done correctly but have in your mind it's got to be cheap,buy cheap buy twice
 
Pagey said:
Yet again people think they can cut costs on the rendering I will assume you will get a cheap quote and go for it you will be back on here asking why it has failed personally I would only quote for a full hack off and start again but that's me painted surfaces are too temperamental to be trying to cut corners yes you can buy stabilisers but not sure if you would wanna pay what they would cost you know what has to be done to make sure it's done correctly but have in your mind it's got to be cheap,buy cheap buy twice
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Buy cheap buy twice
 
A cheaper option without internal damage is to hack off the pebble dashing coat leaving on the base coat that is stuck to the bricks.

Apply a product like EverBuild Rendagrip or Soverein Plasprime x then go from there.
 
plastererpeter said:
I use rib lath much better stronger fixed with m6 penny washers m8 screws
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The last time I used riblath it cracked.
This was years ago.
It was a south facing wall and I reckon over the summer months the heat of the sun contracted with metal causing cracking through out
I find fibre mesh a better product tbh


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Shah said:
Ok Guys,

Need some experienced advice before i get the walls messed up. We have a house that has pebble dashing. I'm talking about the slightly larger pebbles ones all over the property. looks ugly. Its also painted and i am not sure if the quality of the pain is good for anything to key onto. I wanted to get it rendered flat. I was thinking of the following:

Option 1: Removed the old painted Render - Best Option, but too time consuming and messy. Also don't want it to crack the newly plastered walls inside.

Options 2: Buy EML sheet. Fix it onto the craggy wall render and then render on top of the sheet.

ADVICE NEEDED: HOW DO YOU FIX THE EML SHEETS. I have read here https://www.plasterersforum.com/threads/e-m-l-fixing.42601/ that we could use mushroom plugs from R&J's but what are they called as i cannot find them. I did not want to drill holes, insert plug, then insert washer and then galvanised screw etc.. and thought he simpler plastic plug with plastic nail may be a quicker option. Any Ideas..?


Thanks.
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See if you can hire a Hilti GX 120 gun with metal discs. That is what I use. Fast and secure. Fixings are a lot cheaper off ebay.
 
To be fair your all pissing in the wind trying to advise him he's looking for advice on how to cut the cost or do it on the cheap a very specialist trade which is there for every man and his dog to see for ever more, what id say is save some more cash or take out some finance/loan to get in someone who knows what their doing and get it done properly in the first place and you'll appreciate it more in the long run. What's that saying about the bitterness of a poor job lasts longer than the sweet taste of a cheap price? I would also say Ewi would be the better option


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themucky1 said:
To be fair your all pissing in the wind trying to advise him he's looking for advice on how to cut the cost or do it on the cheap a very specialist trade which is there for every man and his dog to see for ever more, what id say is save some more cash or take out some finance/loan to get in someone who knows what their doing and get it done properly in the first place and you'll appreciate it more in the long run. What's that saying about the bitterness of a poor job lasts longer than the sweet taste of a cheap price? I would also say Ewi would be the better option


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Shah said:
Thanks Marshy. Don't worry your advice is sound. In terms of major DIY, my brother and his builder friend can do most things. he is super keen DIYer and the other guys is a professional builder who has been working for us every day for the last 4 months. We get specialists in to do specialised things like Wood worm, electrical, windows.. etc.. etc..

In terms of getting the job done well, i am not concerned, but the Plasterer/builder chap has not done this.

I have been doing lot's of reading and i am confident this can be done. I just do not know where to buy the plastic screws/plugs/Mushroom plugs from. ones that are max 60mm or so. I will also call a professional, who knows it may be cheaper than the other guy and at least i know they know what they are talking about.

Shah
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Whereabouts you based, someone might be able to help you out popping around and give you advice in person
 
Advice on Render on External Wall
Hi Shah,

This will be your cheapest option...we have had a few customers who have come on here looking for the cheapest solution go for this...
 
You have to laugh don't you really...

Do these same customers also insist on pulling all the cables in for the sparky or pipework for the plumber etc...

Tbh I've had a titful of these sort there all cut from the same cloth and are the exact same people that then come on here moaning/looking for backup on poor workmanship on other threads...

When I take my car to the garage I don't ask if I can undo all the nuts and bolts and pass the mechanic his spanners for a discount.. I also listen to his advice and happily pay him for his services...

People forget that your not always paid for what work you do but your experiance of how to do the best job with the best practice!

Can tell them till your blue in the face they just don't listen.

I'm out!!!
 
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