GrantyBoy
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Fair point well made. I bet i'd be quicker adding some powder and giving it a whirl to sort it out than you would with a machine problem though.
anyone got a m tech mono mix?
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stiltwalker
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so m tech 100 is on par with a ritmo then? can it spray all the same materials at a similar speed?
Plasterers1StopShop
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Materials the same, output the same. We just don't push it as a rendering machine as we believe 3 phase is far superior and better suited
stiltwalker
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so it would spray hardwall the same speed as ritmo?
user__removed
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Yes
Curry
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Water butt and add accelerator. Easy as
stiltwalker
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and difference in price full set up?
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The ritmo is ideal for small /average rendering jobs.
Also mono jobs of all sizes.last mono job I was putting 50-70 bags through most days with ease.
Also mono jobs of all sizes.last mono job I was putting 50-70 bags through most days with ease.
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It's like all jobs really as it depends on size of area.
On a decent area a few hours
On a decent area a few hours
stiltwalker
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So the ritmo is cheaper than the mtech 100 and when youbany full package is that with a skim setup ?
No the skim package is a further £1,200.00 plus vat. personally i would just use the basic set up first and later decide if you need extras.
Choosing a machine can be summarised by what type of work you do. How much you want to do a day when the works there and how many of you are available to finish the plaster or render you put on.
The Ritmo is sized perfectly for domestic work like rendering and can also be used on sites to do the same thing. Its perfect for 1+1 even on sites and great for 2+1 . as you all get used to the spraying system you will find it a bit slower on new builds where its going on thick, that said its much quicker than by hand and if your on sites pumping monocouche in a 2+1 gang daily the G4 3 phase is more suited.
A refurb house usually consists of 100-200 bags. you put primer on, then usually 2 passes of monocouche or 1 base coat and 1 monocouche, a thin coat mesh base coat etc etc. The ritmo mixes and pumps out the right amount for this type of work.
If you have a new build crop up then you will be going onto new block, the machine is still up for the task and will put the same amount of meters on as you can finish. If you got 50 mts to do then it will take you bout 2.5 hrs if you spray rule and spat yourself, You can improve on that time by having a site labourer fill the machine for a hour and a half or use an extension hopper and get the Lab to spray.
If you work with just a labourer then a 3 phase or diesel is not suitable for you, the larger size of machine means you need more men to move it which will cost you and more people to help you run it which will cost you. now you have gone from a 1+1 gang to someone who employs. Now you must find the work to keep the hired help around. Now the machine is dictating what you do.
The flip side is that you remain a 1+1 and when a job comes up you will go get the diesel or 3 phase machine plus generator plus pipes etc and set it all up. Slowly you will decide that "we will put this one on by hand" and the machine stays put earning you sweet FA . Its not realistic to carry so much equipment around on a regular basis,
a small mixing pump that you can plug straight in is by far the best option for a plasterer who advertises
Choosing a machine can be summarised by what type of work you do. How much you want to do a day when the works there and how many of you are available to finish the plaster or render you put on.
The Ritmo is sized perfectly for domestic work like rendering and can also be used on sites to do the same thing. Its perfect for 1+1 even on sites and great for 2+1 . as you all get used to the spraying system you will find it a bit slower on new builds where its going on thick, that said its much quicker than by hand and if your on sites pumping monocouche in a 2+1 gang daily the G4 3 phase is more suited.
A refurb house usually consists of 100-200 bags. you put primer on, then usually 2 passes of monocouche or 1 base coat and 1 monocouche, a thin coat mesh base coat etc etc. The ritmo mixes and pumps out the right amount for this type of work.
If you have a new build crop up then you will be going onto new block, the machine is still up for the task and will put the same amount of meters on as you can finish. If you got 50 mts to do then it will take you bout 2.5 hrs if you spray rule and spat yourself, You can improve on that time by having a site labourer fill the machine for a hour and a half or use an extension hopper and get the Lab to spray.
If you work with just a labourer then a 3 phase or diesel is not suitable for you, the larger size of machine means you need more men to move it which will cost you and more people to help you run it which will cost you. now you have gone from a 1+1 gang to someone who employs. Now you must find the work to keep the hired help around. Now the machine is dictating what you do.
The flip side is that you remain a 1+1 and when a job comes up you will go get the diesel or 3 phase machine plus generator plus pipes etc and set it all up. Slowly you will decide that "we will put this one on by hand" and the machine stays put earning you sweet FA . Its not realistic to carry so much equipment around on a regular basis,
a small mixing pump that you can plug straight in is by far the best option for a plasterer who advertises
stiltwalker
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Ok great informative post pft Wales ,why is the skim setup so much extra? What do you get for £1200
theclemo
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Lol
theclemo
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If u can get knauf mp finish the skim setup should be worth it. Spraying multi is a joke.
I dont like any of it. The kit works well the system is flawed.
The material sets the same time as a hand applied product. Whats the point putting it on faster?
You have to trowel it by hand 4 more times and only when its ready to trowel.
The more you apply the longer the set takes.
Wait till they have a material that takes 7 hrs to set and I'm back in
The material sets the same time as a hand applied product. Whats the point putting it on faster?
You have to trowel it by hand 4 more times and only when its ready to trowel.
The more you apply the longer the set takes.
Wait till they have a material that takes 7 hrs to set and I'm back in
User___removed
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There's a honest answer from a guy that's sells machines.
It would be easy for him to say you can spray 500m2 a day!!
It would be easy for him to say you can spray 500m2 a day!!
stiltwalker
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Ok lol, just trying to talk a client around to use hardwall instead of drylined, I have read about different stators would I need a different one ? Also mainly used as 2 and 1 gang on newbuilds so would it spray enough in the morning to skim later on.in the same day?
Clemo never used mp finish is the end product as good a what's it's limitations?
Clemo never used mp finish is the end product as good a what's it's limitations?
stiltwalker
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What internal?
theclemo
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Mp finish is good over board work. Its easer to get a good finish on. Bag go's a lot further than multi. It drys out white . The board work needs to be good.
user__removed
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Nothing lazy about shifting machines and hoses about mate. Hoses drive me mental!
Kylewesley
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Lots of mixed opinions on this thread, all machines have plus and minuses
But all make our lives easier... Most of the time anyway.
Anyone had trouble with the rotor stator from p1ss for the ritmo?
But all make our lives easier... Most of the time anyway.
Anyone had trouble with the rotor stator from p1ss for the ritmo?
user__removed
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I'll have one of them. Stick it in the post lad.
Diesels are great if you've got the yardage to go at, and are great on a building site, where's there's room to clean your machine with the built in jet wash. We use both a diesel and a smaller machine they both have advantages, but a diesel will cost you a lot more in outlay to start with.
I'm looking at a smaller machine to put bucket renders on as we still put this on by hand, which we don't mind putting on base coats by hand As I'm in the position of having as many lads on a job as I choose So 4 of us say can trowel a thin coat base on in no time, and spat up, but for the top Bucket coat it would save hassle I agree.
I'm looking at a smaller machine to put bucket renders on as we still put this on by hand, which we don't mind putting on base coats by hand As I'm in the position of having as many lads on a job as I choose So 4 of us say can trowel a thin coat base on in no time, and spat up, but for the top Bucket coat it would save hassle I agree.
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