Are coloured renders all they crack up to be?

[Crooksey]

My Dad's just got a new bungalow and wants in rendered, hes having some fairly major work done and the builder kept bashing on about how K-Rend is the best thing since sliced bread etc etc.

Now I was going to render the bungalow for him, its just standard bricks, was going to-do some rough re-pointing, give the whole bungalow a coat of SBR then two coat S+C it.

Now I have never used Mono/K-rend before, is it really worth all the extra money?

Out of the two I would probably use mono, use their base coat, apply the mesh then give it one thick coat and scratch it back.

My question is, does it really pay to spend all that extra money on a coloured render system? As from what I can work out, rendering in S+C and even employing a decorator is still going to leave me loads more free cash.

 

[plasterjfe]

All the extra money is apparent because you are doing the work so all you have to compare is the materil cost but if it was a paid job your labour time would be slashed and cheaper.

the hp12 base can be good for this type of work as it is a good polymer masonry base scratch coat and the time will be saved again on painting but if you are happy doing sand and cement then just stick with that it will be cheaper,

render companies rates on bagged products are going up by huge percentages every year but I cant see how when the raw material ingredients are not much different on a mono product than a sand and cement lime mix. must be the cost of paper bags

 

[malc]

do you know what we tried the other day. render in sand and cement, scratch back next day, the decorate the wall and you cannot tell the difference!

 

[essexandy]

do you know what we tried the other day. render in sand and cement, scratch back next day, the decorate the wall and you cannot tell the difference!

This was done years before anyone here had heard of monocouche, it used to get scratched back with an old saw blade.

 

[keithuk]

My Dad's just got a new bungalow and wants in rendered, hes having some fairly major work done and the builder kept bashing on about how K-Rend is the best thing since sliced bread etc etc.

Now I was going to render the bungalow for him, its just standard bricks, was going to-do some rough re-pointing, give the whole bungalow a coat of SBR then two coat S+C it.

Now I have never used Mono/K-rend before, is it really worth all the extra money?

Out of the two I would probably use mono, use their base coat, apply the mesh then give it one thick coat and scratch it back.

My question is, does it really pay to spend all that extra money on a coloured render system? As from what I can work out, rendering in S+C and even employing a decorator is still going to leave me loads more free cash.

If you have never used a mono finish ,do it in s&c mate ,that way you will stay in the will ,with respect

 

[malc]

This was done years before anyone here had heard of monocouche, it used to get scratched back with an old saw blade.

i am not surprised. mono is only a coloured sand and cement. we should be able to make some money here!

 

[PFTwales]

All the extra money is apparent because you are doing the work so all you have to compare is the materil cost but if it was a paid job your labour time would be slashed and cheaper.

the hp12 base can be good for this type of work as it is a good polymer masonry base scratch coat and the time will be saved again on painting but if you are happy doing sand and cement then just stick with that it will be cheaper,

render companies rates on bagged products are going up by huge percentages every year but I cant see how when the raw material ingredients are not much different on a mono product than a sand and cement lime mix. must be the cost of paper bags

Haulage costs are where the money goes, its at least £60 a pallet to send from me to you, look at it from the manufacturers POV. they have to make it, bag it blah blah, then send it out. Think how many times it would have a different haulage company involved just from france, then the like of encon deliver it around. meanwhile diesel is pushing £1.50 a ltr. thats where the costs are not in raw materials

 

[DannyMac]

I dunno, i picked up a 4" lump of cured monorex the other day and tried to snap it...no chance. So i threw it at the ground (tarmac), it didn't break....

I'm not sure a 4" lump of S&C would have fared the same.

 

[PFTwales]

and we dont even have to pay vat like a customer does

 

[plasterjfe]

Haulage costs are where the money goes, its at least £60 a pallet to send from me to you, look at it from the manufacturers POV. they have to make it, bag it blah blah, then send it out. Think how many times it would have a different haulage company involved just from france, then the like of encon deliver it around. meanwhile diesel is pushing £1.50 a ltr. thats where the costs are not in raw materials

stop sticking up for em blones.:flapper:

makes you wonder then if parex or the like can bring it from france and germany yet have it on the shelf for less than Krend who are in Britain and sit on their own mine.

0.8M per bag you get from egrade beae in mind to Parex 1.2 so forget bag prices its all in the Msq baby

 

[essexandy]

I dunno, i picked up a 4" lump of cured monorex the other day and tried to snap it...no chance. So i threw it at the ground (tarmac), it didn't break....

I'm not sure a 4" lump of S&C would have fared the same.

Note to self: Don't offer DannyMac any S&C rendering work.:rolleyes)

 

[Rigsby]

This was done years before anyone here had heard of monocouche, it used to get scratched back with an old saw blade.

I have a plastering book bought in 1972 by Taylor and in there they mention a render finish where the render is with sharp gritty sand and when green scraped back with a wooden float with bottle tops screwed in the face of the float. Bearing in mind plastic float had not been invented then.

there is a job in my City centre and on the outskirts done on gritty sand and cement scraped back but the painted. Looks sound.

 

[Arti]

JB Taylor..............what a leg end..................:RpS_thumbup: