Are plasterer selling them selfs short.

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Liam Smith

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As a skilled professional, does the industry consider that plasterers are selling themselves short on the fees being charged for a professional service. How does this differ from self-employed to limited companies from listening to a few conversations I've heard rates of 150 per day being mentioned and yet in other trades you really wouldn't get a tradesperson working for less and ideally £300 per day plus.

How does the industry move forward and charge a realistic fee for their professional services I would love to have some feedback on this.

What is the industry worth per hour?
When you consider insurances overheads etc
 
Depends massively by locale

Had a bit of work done recently by sparks and gas men. The disparity between sole traders in regulated fields and non regulated fields is frightening
 
Liam Smith said:
As a skilled professional, does the industry consider that plasterers are selling themselves short on the fees being charged for a professional service. How does this differ from self-employed to limited companies from listening to a few conversations I've heard rates of 150 per day being mentioned and yet in other trades you really wouldn't get a tradesperson working for less and ideally £300 per day plus.

How does the industry move forward and charge a realistic fee for their professional services I would love to have some feedback on this.

What is the industry worth per hour?
When you consider insurances overheads etc
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All round experienced , specialist's and full on cowboys still make good money
Someone who just skims , tacks or dabs are up against it unless they're good buisnessmen
 
windy said:
Depends massively by locale

Had a bit of work done recently by sparks and gas men. The disparity between sole traders in regulated fields and non regulated fields is frightening
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I can understand needing papers causing a differential, but why do tilers/tree surgeons etc charge more? I've never understood that.
 
The problem is the public dont know the difference between a good or a bad job. They see plaster or render on the wall and think it's great. I've seen 2 rendering jobs on my street the last couple of months and they're shocking. Yet the customers have been telling us how happy they are. Most likely because they are cheap. We were asked to price them but i will not even entertain pricing for people I 'kind of' know as firstly they expect a discount and b, when they choose to use someone else, as they invariably always do, I lack the ability to keep my mouth shut when their job looks shite. So now I just drive past and smile to myself knowing I havent got to have that monstrosity on my house
 
Crash courses, chancers bottom feeders and people willing to graft just to make ends meet have ruined it for the plastering trade
 
Liam Smith said:
As a skilled professional, does the industry consider that plasterers are selling themselves short on the fees being charged for a professional service. How does this differ from self-employed to limited companies from listening to a few conversations I've heard rates of 150 per day being mentioned and yet in other trades you really wouldn't get a tradesperson working for less and ideally £300 per day plus.

How does the industry move forward and charge a realistic fee for their professional services I would love to have some feedback on this.

What is the industry worth per hour?
When you consider insurances overheads etc
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I've paid £300 for some decent coke and a blowjob

I wouldn't pay some shiit bag £300 to change a light bulb

I know what I earn I know my worth
always keep that in mind


I also know what I spend
:X3::rayos:
 
That line is always being pushed about by forces either side of it, up down left right...
I believe the self worth of the individuals involved in both sides of the contract is what pushes it around
As @Stewie03 comments the customer may stumble across a chancer and conclude the lower price is for the same work performance than a quote from an experienced tradie. Amongst friends they will then advertise that as what others should look for as a price bar which can undermine a professional honest tax paying fella by giving him a “rip off” default setting after pricing a job quote (if he was not approached originally due to reputation)
 
It's getting worse i quoted £3300 for a 38sqm ceiling to be ripped down as they had a severe water leak,plasterboard it all and then skimmed happy with the quote 4 days out from the job get a phone call they have found somebody else to do it for a grand, low and behold they was found on checkatrade I stopped caring ages ago I dont know how chancers and bottom feeders survive on such low quotes it was 3 days work at best
 
Liam Smith said:
As a skilled professional, does the industry consider that plasterers are selling themselves short on the fees being charged for a professional service. How does this differ from self-employed to limited companies from listening to a few conversations I've heard rates of 150 per day being mentioned and yet in other trades you really wouldn't get a tradesperson working for less and ideally £300 per day plus.

How does the industry move forward and charge a realistic fee for their professional services I would love to have some feedback on this.

What is the industry worth per hour?
When you consider insurances overheads etc
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If you are working for someone else and just turning up with your tools in an estate car then £150 is a good rate. If you are a contractor with all the overheads then you need to be charging a minimum of £250 per day up to around £500 per day.
 
Stewie03 said:
It's getting worse i quoted £3300 for a 38sqm ceiling to be ripped down as they had a severe water leak,plasterboard it all and then skimmed happy with the quote 4 days out from the job get a phone call they have found somebody else to do it for a grand, low and behold they was found on checkatrade I stopped caring ages ago I dont know how chancers and bottom feeders survive on such low quotes it was 3 days work at best
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I’m working on a house just been part renovated by a builder, dot and dab on wallpaper, plasterboard held on by six screws, house skimmed, yet all the plaster is approximately 50 years old and clearly has blown in all areas of the house, water leak resulted A new kitchen cupboards falling off the wall, now the house is being stripped back to bare brick replacing all ceilings however that has also revealed extensive woodworm. It’s what you pay for as is this case!!
 

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FreeD said:
If you are working for someone else and just turning up with your tools in an estate car then £150 is a good rate. If you are a contractor with all the overheads then you need to be charging a minimum of £250 per day up to around £500 per day.
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You can get that top rate down south but you try and get that further north and you will get laughed at,unless it’s insurance work.
 
FreeD said:
If you are working for someone else and just turning up with your tools in an estate car then £150 is a good rate. If you are a contractor with all the overheads then you need to be charging a minimum of £250 per day up to around £500 per day.
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FreeD said:
If you are working for someone else and just turning up with your tools in an estate car then £150 is a good rate. If you are a contractor with all the overheads then you need to be charging a minimum of £250 per day up to around £500 per day.
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For me I’d love to see the industry and those professional forums bodies and associations try to educate people that this industry is worth so much more than they are currently charging.
 
hollybank said:
You can get that top rate down south but you try and get that further north and you will get laughed at,unless it’s insurance work.
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It's f**k all to do with where you live, It's who you work for. If your product is top notch then you will get paid top dolla but you will never, ever, get above what you ask for.
 
tapit said:
It's f**k all to do with where you live, It's who you work for. If your product is top notch then you will get paid top dolla but you will never, ever, get above what you ask for.
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When I was in Greater Manchester talking to a few plasterers it was my understanding that they seemed to feel a pricing gap up north to down south.
 
Liam Smith said:
When I was in Greater Manchester talking to a few plasterers it was my understanding that they seemed to feel a pricing gap up north to down south.
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That's a generalisation, all the doctors. headteachers, solicitors, and bankers may disagree.
 
Liam Smith said:
I’m working on a house just been part renovated by a builder, dot and dab on wallpaper, plasterboard held on by six screws, house skimmed, yet all the plaster is approximately 50 years old and clearly has blown in all areas of the house, water leak resulted A new kitchen cupboards falling off the wall, now the house is being stripped back to bare brick replacing all ceilings however that has also revealed extensive woodworm. It’s what you pay for as is this case!!
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Im afraid it's the same with cowboy builders and trades other trades alike nobody ever gets held accountable for crap or dangerous work its not like cowboy Keith is gunna lose sleep thinking the police are gunna arrest him for dodgy pipe work or s**t bricklaying and thats the problem
 
Liam Smith said:
As a skilled professional, does the industry consider that plasterers are selling themselves short on the fees being charged for a professional service. How does this differ from self-employed to limited companies from listening to a few conversations I've heard rates of 150 per day being mentioned and yet in other trades you really wouldn't get a tradesperson working for less and ideally £300 per day plus.

How does the industry move forward and charge a realistic fee for their professional services I would love to have some feedback on this.

What is the industry worth per hour?
When you consider insurances overheads etc
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Your spot on m8 the trouble is when your plastering you can
Stewie03 said:
It's getting worse i quoted £3300 for a 38sqm ceiling to be ripped down as they had a severe water leak,plasterboard it all and then skimmed happy with the quote 4 days out from the job get a phone call they have found somebody else to do it for a grand, low and behold they was found on checkatrade I stopped caring ages ago I dont know how chancers and bottom feeders survive on such low quotes it was 3 days work at best
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If my price was a grand a day I'd be lucky to get work . I agree it can be done but for me I'd think I'd have to travel UK and aim for the wealthy people that want a quolity job and are willing to pay faair play best of luck!
 
Stewie03 said:
Crash courses, chancers bottom feeders and people willing to graft just to make ends meet have ruined it for the plastering trade
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You say they ruined the trade but the guys who know how to earn still do. I belive its part of the balance and for every job that some wolly is going to do for 100 a day and make a mess there's a customer who's willing to pay top dollar for top work.
I find the best way to do it is to figure out who you want to work for rather than how much work you can get
 
carys said:
Your spot on m8 the trouble is when your plastering you can
If my price was a grand a day I'd be lucky to get work . I agree it can be done but for me I'd think I'd have to travel UK and aim for the wealthy people that want a quolity job and are willing to pay faair play best of luck!
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That was including the materials and also saving them money on a sparkie as I was gunna disconnect the lights and put connector blocks on them and wire them back in and also the patching of 2 walls as the whole room was dabbed the leak got into some of the walls and the tops of the wall was just crumbling,seems like a lot of money but when you think of the labor involved think its about right but like @Complete mentioned which makes alot of sense it's who you want to work for to make the money and not what you can get,which im taking on board as im getting fed up with this trade now
 
Stewie03 said:
That was including the materials and also saving them money on a sparkie as I was gunna disconnect the lights and put connector blocks on them and wire them back in and also the patching of 2 walls as the whole room was dabbed the leak got into some of the walls and the tops of the wall was just crumbling,seems like a lot of money but when you think of the labor involved think its about right but like @Complete mentioned which makes alot of sense it's who you want to work for to make the money and not what you can get,which im taking on board as im getting fed up with this trade now
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The client possibly lied about the grand and is having to buy the materials themselves on top. Would not understand what you are doing with the electrics.
A grand is 3-4 days decent earnings for two labs without work ( I'm talking Berkshire here) who have learnt how to do a bit of skimming whilst with a builder.
Imaginary or ceased company listed on checkatrade or Mybuilder as a backpocket fallback when no work around
No insurance or intention of declaring earnings, will just let the wires hang or switch the power off. Slap a bit on the top edges where tyhe water go to it - "it'll just sand down ok when its dry missus"

And they're gone - sister/relative does a write up of how marvellous they were, and ref checks will call them and they know what to say.
 
Isn't Checkatrade nothing more than clever marketing as I believe the monthly subscription is approximately £50 to be listed clearly for profit.
 
smoother09 said:
I certainly ain't if they don't like the price get Joey

If you need to be on them things you ain't no good work finds you through recommendations and word of mouth
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The problem is these days it's more expensive to feed a horse and is to put petrol in your tank lol

I agree with your comment above it's a bit like Yellow Pages, used to have the monopoly before the Internet came along
 
Complete said:
You say they ruined the trade but the guys who know how to earn still do. I belive its part of the balance and for every job that some wolly is going to do for 100 a day and make a mess there's a customer who's willing to pay top dollar for top work.
I find the best way to do it is to figure out who you want to work for rather than how much work you can get
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Grave digger!
 
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