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Artex Scrape or not to scrape this is the question? I know some contains low level asbestos,but wouldn't mind peoples views on the subject??
 
Hi there Dav

Do a search on the forum.... this has been covered many times.....

It is a prsonal H&S issue - me I would be careful on anything applied pre early 90's.....
 
Scrape is illegal and is a health and safety issue, but lots do it, wondering if we suffer in years to come will spreads be so blasé or point the finger?
 
i always scrape artex. there is very low asbestos in artex.
but i come from a time when they would cut asbestos cement sheets with circular saws. the dust would come down the road like a fog.
the asbestos that you need to advoid is the blue asbestos used as an insulation
 
You can buy test kits off the internet for £25ish if you wanna make sure before you touch it, but like many people on here ive just scraped it and skimmed or overboarded without testing
 
This subject again ?...no seriously now ...again ? lol.

The asbestos is encapsulated within the artex.

So unless you sand your reasonably safe...still nothing wrong with wearing a mask, and making sure you do a decent clean up afterwards.
 
johniosaif said:
Scrape is illegal and is a health and safety issue, but lots do it, wondering if we suffer in years to come will spreads be so blasé or point the finger?
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flynnyman said:
Any chance of a link?
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I think but not sure mind that where it could start to get sticky from a leagal view point was if some one was anal enough to check your rubbish at the end of a job and traces of asbestos were found there in. Remember technically speaking you have to be licsenced for the removal and disposal of asbestos. Oh of course you should also have attended and completed an asbestos awareness course for H&S reasons ;)
 
not quite true @raggles low level asbestos can be removed in a skip or container if it is covered and not mixed in with other materials , the environment people at the council need to be informed and you will need a ref number from them, we had a demo site cleared last year, the corrugated asbestos sheets (low grade ) were placed in a skip with a membrane under neath and then it was covered and taped down, all done to the lawful dumping of same.. the skip company will have to transport it safely to the proper place, once you have the paper trail at your end done you are covered...
 
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Yeah my mate has a demolition and skip hire business and he has the asbestos skips and sorts out the paper work for correct land fill. Because of the nature of his business he has to be registered for the removal too. Mind you i also know of 2 peeps who are currently expecting to do bird for the illegal tipping of asbestos i.e land owner and skip hire owner. not my mate i hasten to add.
 
raggles said:
Yeah my mate has a demolition and skip hire business and he has the asbestos skips and sorts out the paper work for correct land fill. Because of the nature of his business he has to be registered for the removal too. Mind you i also know of 2 peeps who are currently expecting to do bird for the illegal tipping of asbestos i.e land owner and skip hire owner. not my mate i hasten to add.
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stories I could tell of the old days... but wont.... we have to be smart these days, health conscious for ourselves and others..
 
johniosaif said:
Scrape is illegal and is a health and safety issue, but lots do it, wondering if we suffer in years to come will spreads be so blasé or point the finger?
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i scrape artex.so if it is illegal.half the plastering firms in glesga.wud be guilty. it is not unlawful.m8
 
JamieMac said:
i scrape artex.so if it is illegal.half the plastering firms in glesga.wud be guilty. it is not unlawful.m8
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we have all done it. one question for myself as well as you, if you were in the middle of a job and health and safety walked in while you were scraping artex off, would there be consequences? i had a job where the boss was fined for no hot water for hand washing, so if you scrape artex, you are liable to be fined as is the main contractor..
 
raggles said:
I think but not sure mind that where it could start to get sticky from a leagal view point was if some one was anal enough to check your rubbish at the end of a job and traces of asbestos were found there in. Remember technically speaking you have to be licsenced for the removal and disposal of asbestos. Oh of course you should also have attended and completed an asbestos awareness course for H&S reasons ;)
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Say i was to sue the owner for not informing me there was asbestos? it is their ceiling :)
 
flynnyman said:
Say i was to sue the owner for not informing me there was asbestos? it is their ceiling :)
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A ceiling left alone is safe, a scraped ceiling very much less so, a tradesman would be expected to know what he was doing to a grater extent than a householder, sadly with the onset of cheap labour and cheap prices, things do get bypassed, most people with artex ceilings will ask the plasterer for advice, lots are clueless about pva let alone asbestos..
I get my guys the proper masks, goggles and ear protection for jobs, I tell them , dont be stupid like us old timers. public and employee insurance is only the paper work bit that we do,
 
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johniosaif said:
A ceiling left alone is safe, a scraped ceiling very much less so, a tradesman would be expected to know what he was doing to a grater extent than a householder, sadly with the onset of cheap labour and cheap prices, things do get bypassed, most people with artex ceilings will ask the plasterer for advice, lots are clueless about pva let alone asbestos..
I get my guys the proper masks, goggles and ear protection for jobs, I tell them , dont be stupid like us old timers. public and employee insurance is only the paper work bit that we do,
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A lot of assuming and expecting going on, say the owner said ive had it tested and it isnt you would take their word or even the word of the contractor. It is upto you if you want it tested and if you dont carry on coz i have for years its a load of bollox. Come on nisus find this link posted up[ on the subject of the big artex con :)
 
flynnyman said:
Say i was to sue the owner for not informing me there was asbestos? it is their ceiling :)
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If you were to make the homeowner aware of the potential presence of asbestos, then they would surely be obliged to have a test done, regardless of whether you got the plastering job or not. Once they've been informed and all that :RpS_thumbup:
 
flynnyman said:
A lot of assuming and expecting going on, say the owner said ive had it tested and it isnt you would take their word or even the word of the contractor. It is upto you if you want it tested and if you dont carry on coz i have for years its a load of bollox. Come on nisus find this link posted up[ on the subject of the big artex con :)
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And the assuming goes on , like you I have done loads over the years..
 
I lost a job recently where I agreed with the owner to cover over all the artex in his 5 bedrooms and living areas in a very large house. Just before I was due to start he had a small leak which after an asbestos survey, the insurance rep made him have an asbestos company into remove and then went on to do the whole house! The cost went from £1,500 to £20,000.:huh:
 
insurance companys making money from old rope.a think u wud have 2 start eating it 4 it to do u any harm.been scrapping artex for years.
 
bubbles65 said:
If you were to make the homeowner aware of the potential presence of asbestos, then they would surely be obliged to have a test done, regardless of whether you got the plastering job or not. Once they've been informed and all that :RpS_thumbup:
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I only make them aware if they are telling me they are on a budget or i dont want it just to piss them off :)
 
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