Bending wood

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Topspread16 said:
Look up brick slips, she can even pick her brick of choice. Stick them on with flexy tile adhesive. Point them or use wide joint grout.
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The soot I can shift ....but it's a black like tar that's gripped to the brick.
Cheers for that topspread il show her (y)(y)(y)
 
imago said:
You don't have to prove yourself to me in anyway about anything.

However, when you start waving your ignorance around, and claiming that a trade which I served my time in doesn't exist then I can and will call you on your bullsh1t.

I'll have a laugh and banter with the best of them, but I'll be fcuked if I'll let you or anyone else p1ss on a hard earned trade I was apprenticed in.

If getting BC sign off is the extent of your ambitions then good for you, but don't for a second think that it guarantees a job is good, safe, right or acceptable. A statement to that effect appears on everything BC produce, along with a recommendation for site supervision. Which is their get out of jail card and puts the responsibility on the trade professional's involved and their experience.
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Again Larry what was your 5 year apprenticeship in, what did it qualify you to do....your having it at me but make clear what your qualification allows you to do and do you work in the paramiters of that and if not why not. I'm working with another builders who probably had similar qualifications/experience to you...am I bad, I'm not sure
 
I follow builders all the time .....new build or Thier own firm.
Plastering is fixing their shite.
Block work joinery windows doors steels
It's always down to spreads to sort their mess out.
Decent spreads are very good at hiding other trades fuuck ups.
What we do is really covering everyone elses shite.
 
Not wishing to take sides on this one but thought I would just mention some experience I have had with building control, I got a call from a so called builder asking me to come render a Bay window he had fixed, got over to the job and looked at his repaired wall and asked what the f@%k he had done, to be told by him and the guy from building control that putting foil backed plasterboard outside for rendering was fine, needless to say after I stopped laughing I got back in the van and went home.
Unfortunately you can’t rely on building control getting it right. Or builders for that matter
 
peterroberts said:
Not wishing to take sides on this one but thought I would just mention some experience I have had with building control, I got a call from a so called builder asking me to come render a Bay window he had fixed, got over to the job and looked at his repaired wall and asked what the f@%k he had done, to be told by him and the guy from building control that putting foil backed plasterboard outside for rendering was fine, needless to say after I stopped laughing I got back in the van and went home.
Unfortunately you can’t rely on building control getting it right. Or builders for that matter
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Mad!
 
Lodan said:
Again Larry what was your 5 year apprenticeship in, what did it qualify you to do....your having it at me but make clear what your qualification allows you to do and do you work in the paramiters of that and if not why not. I'm working with another builders who probably had similar qualifications/experience to you...am I bad, I'm not sure
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OK, I'll play but then you can show me yours as that's only fair.

The first thing is an apprenticeship isn't a qualification, so you can't serve an apprenticeship 'in' anything. I was apprentice to a builder, over the five years that also involved time with the chippies, brickies etc. College time was done as modules with day release and a block release each year.

That experience allows a builder to understand all the trades to a basic level, and some to a higher level depending on what you like or are good at etc. Carpentry for example, you'd be expected to know the joints involved in first fix, lay out a roof etc. Planning and making a staircase wouldn't fall under it, but you can go to that level afterwards if that's your thing. Brick laying, building structures (steel, timber, concrete etc), scaffolding, drainage, foundations all fall within the more advanced level, then things like electrics and plumbing are left to the individual as to how much or little they want to go into them.

I guess it's like being a GP or on call in A&E as opposed to orthopaedics or heart surgery.

So a five year apprenticeship, with C&G qualifications in carpentry, brickwork, electrics, site management/supervision, structural formation and assessment etc. The usual array of paperwork from other random organisations etc. Then there's 30 years in the industry since finishing my time, with further C&G and training as time went by. There's so much stuff you can't learn in a classroom, it just takes time and exposure to people who know what they're doing. There's no shortcut, it just takes time.

As I mentioned before 10,000 hours to become competent at anything.

Your turn then, you seem to think it's just a matter of declaring yourself a builder and getting BC to sign off what you do. So what are your qualifications and experience within the building industry? What do they allow you to do for the public at large?
 
Lodan said:
And after reading your post properly I don't want to argue but my test is purely in the job done, all jobs are through building control and structural engineer if building control require. The only litmus test to if a job is good is a smiling customer at the end and that's all that matters(along with a certificate that says work is safe)....as I've said I'm done proving myself on here, every man and his dog said I would fail at plastering and everyone wants failure this time also. To be honest I don't care, faint heart never f**k*d a pig....I thought you'd understand that better than most Larry after chats we had but apparently not. As long as I pay my mortgage and make my wife smile the rest is just noise.
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I think you're way off the mark if you think everyone wants you to fail.
Getting past BC or there being a smile on the customers face are most definitely not a measure of a job being done right or competency. Not even close.
Many, many times over the years I've winced at some of the things I've seen done by other 'instant builders'.
As with all the trades you don't have to have all the paper qualifications, some really good builders I've known wouldn't have had a thing, oh apart from years and years of experience of working with, and learning from the various trades. Much like @imago's apprenticeship, just not formal.
You took plastering lightly and now it's building, that's just not fair on your potential clients.
You've stated elsewhere that be it plastering, building or even magic if you want to, you'll learn it and be good at it. Don't kid yourself, different people have different natural skill sets and no one is good at everything.
I wish you and your customers all the luck in the world.
Oh and just remember this whole thread started by you asking a question that no experienced builder or carpenter or plasterer would have asked.
 
Its them courses people that install bullshit into paying customers heads that are competent tradespeople when there have finished..il guarantee no course trained person would come anywhere near my jobs as there might think there work looks good but to me it wil look utter shite :coffe:
 
Ah f**k it lads I'm over it, the negativity in this place is immense not just my threads but most of em, I'll leave you all to it as can't be arsed arguing anymore have enough of that with the Mrs without having it on the internet as well
 
Lodan said:
Ah f**k it lads I'm over it, the negativity in this place is immense not just my threads but most of em, I'll leave you all to it as can't be arsed arguing anymore have enough of that with the Mrs without having it on the internet as well
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Lodan if you want to be bob the builder crack on pal its knw1s buisness..every1 has a opinion and there differ..me personally wudnt let a course trained person anywhere near my home or jobs but thats my opinion its worth s**t..as andy g would say asuwere
 
Lodan said:
Ah f**k it lads I'm over it, the negativity in this place is immense not just my threads but most of em, I'll leave you all to it as can't be arsed arguing anymore have enough of that with the Mrs without having it on the internet as well
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Don't misinterpret people having different options to yours as negativity or arguing for the sake of it.
If you hadn't started this thread would you still be wondering how to bend that wood?
And I'll be honest here, I did wonder just what sort of 'builder' this other bloke was offering you a partnership? That made no sense to me at all. It's would be like a professional like @imago offering a partnership to a piece of scum like @Nisus (no offence).
 
Lodan said:
Ah f**k it lads I'm over it, the negativity in this place is immense not just my threads but most of em, I'll leave you all to it as can't be arsed arguing anymore have enough of that with the Mrs without having it on the internet as well
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You're not going anywhere my lovely...you're not allowed, and besides, the weather has changed everyone into miserable feckers...it will pass.

You'll be just fine, you're smart and conscientious and a grafter...that's more than half way there.
 
Lodan said:
Ah f**k it lads I'm over it, the negativity in this place is immense not just my threads but most of em, I'll leave you all to it as can't be arsed arguing anymore have enough of that with the Mrs without having it on the internet as well
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Couple of things.
Firstly you kicked it all off by stating that a trade which has existed for centuries wasn't a trade. So instead of running off with your bottom lip out deal with the crap you've flung about.
Secondly you asked what my apprenticeship involved, clearly in an attempt to show I was bullsh1tting. I answered, so I reckon it's now for you to respond as to what qualifications and experience give you the right to trade as a builder.
 
imago said:
Couple of things.
Firstly you kicked it all off by stating that a trade which has existed for centuries wasn't a trade. So instead of running off with your bottom lip out deal with the crap you've flung about.
Secondly you asked what my apprenticeship involved, clearly in an attempt to show I was bullsh1tting. I answered, so I reckon it's now for you to respond as to what qualifications and experience give you the right to trade as a builder.
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Very well put..
 
essexandy said:
Don't misinterpret people having different options to yours as negativity or arguing for the sake of it.
If you hadn't started this thread would you still be wondering how to bend that wood?
And I'll be honest here, I did wonder just what sort of 'builder' this other bloke was offering you a partnership? That made no sense to me at all. It's would be like a professional like @imago offering a partnership to a piece of scum like @Nisus (no offence).
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I agree..diffrence of opinion does not mean you want somebody to fail etc and being a moody fcker..hes said that a few times when people have questioned him and methods..
 
imago said:
Couple of things.
Firstly you kicked it all off by stating that a trade which has existed for centuries wasn't a trade. So instead of running off with your bottom lip out deal with the crap you've flung about.
Secondly you asked what my apprenticeship involved, clearly in an attempt to show I was bullsh1tting. I answered, so I reckon it's now for you to respond as to what qualifications and experience give you the right to trade as a builder.
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I wasn't trying to show you were bullshitting Larry I've got a lot of respect for you all my point was is there isn't a qualification to be a builder as a trade in itself, as you said you worked with a builder and got a a knowledge of all trades, it's not a thing you can qualify in just do and get good at. You worked with a builder and that's what I'm going to do.

I've been justifying myself for over 3 years and it never worked or made any difference so like I said I'm done with it. Everyone can think what they want of me and I'm fine with it. I'm off to have my Sunday dinner now so I'll leave you all to it. Enjoy your day and back at it tomorrow
 
Lodan said:
as you said you worked with a builder and got a a knowledge of all trades, it's not a thing you can qualify in just do and get good at. You worked with a builder and that's what I'm going to do.
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Last comment, as you're right when you say there's no point in dragging this out further.

I said I was apprenticed to a builder, not that I worked with one. The distinction being that there was a formal training process and structure in place to ensure that the end product (tradesman) was fit for purpose.

You can be qualified and apprenticed as a builder, general builder, master builder, and also in general construction. The qualifications which make that up are, as I said earlier, a range of elements across the trades. You can then add to those post-apprenticeship. In the same way as an apprentice plasterer will cover many elements of the trade, they will then (usually) go on to specialise in one or two of them.

Obviously there are many good tradesmen who didn't go down the formal apprenticeship route. However it's done it takes years before anyone can reach a level of competence where they can ply their trade alone.

There is right now a C&G apprenticeship available in building and general construction, 6165. It's usefull to look at what's covered as it illustrates how it worked for me. Although it's obviously quite different to 1983. course details.

So I say again, it is a trade, you can be apprenticed and you can be qualified in it. If that doesn't fit in with your perception, or how you want to view it that's unfortunate but it doesn't change the (demonstrable and proven) fact that you are wrong to say otherwise.
 
ChrispyUK said:
Prob do the trick. Goggles are a must though as the wire bristles are lethal!
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Chrispy I spent another 2 hours with my drunken arse hanging out and and crippled knees last night.....
I'm done with it.
I've just banged up the heating ....santa can f**k off aswell :birra::birra::birra:
 
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