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flynnyman said:
Someone could die from a badly boarded ceiling with hardly any screws, falling on them, fracturing a gas pipe or screwing through a gas pipe, maybe even not second fixing thermal boards and a fire blowing them off and crushing you lol maybe not solid dabbing round gas pipes, badly applied render falling on them, leaving to many boards stood against a wall at the wrong angle then falling and crushing a kid the list is endless lol. I think most deaths in the construction industry are not due to electric shocks but falls from heights which effects every trade or craft OH just thought a ceiling rose falling on a baby in a pram LOL im sounding like the guys on builders from hell.
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I had a huge hall to do once,the boards were twenty foot off the floor on an apex ceiling, all neatly done, 100 m2 all we had to do was skim it,the scaffold was near enough etc. I told the builder that there was only one small problem, not enough screws and the ones in the boardwork had been COUNTERSUNK....
Tiny detail, what difference he asked, I said they will fall and maim someone,that apart nothing..
 
johniosaif said:
I had a huge hall to do once,the boards were twenty foot off the floor on an apex ceiling, all neatly done, 100 m2 all we had to do was skim it,the scaffold was near enough etc. I told the builder that there was only one small problem, not enough screws and the ones in the boardwork had been COUNTERSUNK....
Tiny detail, what difference he asked, I said they will fall and maim someone,that apart nothing..
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John sent you a pm,let me know if you got it
 
I'm pretty green grass compared to alot of you on here but I'm not worried. I think plastering is a genuine craft and have seen peolpe's attempts at doing it themselves. You just can't blag it and achieve a good result. Also I wouldn't underestimate the amount of people (especially younger generation) who atre completely clueless about anything to do with building or DIY for that matter. Last week I was asked to hangfire on a job so the joiner could come in to take the skirts off. Another time some guy rang me about a few cracks (which turned out to be hairline) and was baffled when I told him honestly he could just use caulk and ended up leaving with £50 for 5mins work
 
superspread said:
The venue ,rather you than me john,picked my boy up from there at 4.30 am the other week ,:RpS_crying:
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5/6 yrs there, some stories some good, got bricked from behind one night, seven stitches, lost lots of blood, got bitten several times, spat at,nose broken etc but mostly its a boring job , hours of scuse geez,where's the khazi.. some pals there still..
 
johniosaif said:
5/6 yrs there, some stories some good, got bricked from behind one night, seven stitches, lost lots of blood, got bitten several times, spat at,nose broken etc but mostly its a boring job , hours of scuse geez,where's the khazi.. some pals there still..
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so your quite likeable then John.........................:RpS_unsure:
 
johniosaif said:
5/6 yrs there, some stories some good, got bricked from behind one night, seven stitches, lost lots of blood, got bitten several times, spat at,nose broken etc but mostly its a boring job , hours of scuse geez,where's the khazi.. some pals there still..
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And that's on a Thursday nite :RpS_laugh:
 
stevo79 said:
the outlook for the near future at least is bleak, bleak as fook. the main prob for us forign labour and chancers aside is that every bods is skint. plastering is never the main job when people plan work they are having done, how many times have you been to price a job and they had a brand new kitchen or bathroom fitted and want you to plaster round it? i even had people have new carpet fitted days before you meant to be plastering a room.
we get over looked cos walls and ceillings are things that a house is supposed to have any way people want to spend their money on "nice" things that look pretty, and in this economic circumstance we find ourselfs in people are prepared to leave the old walls as they are or just give em a lick of paint or some cheap paper they much rather spend the bit of spare cash on somthing else. our job boomed when everyone thought their houses were never going to stop going up in value, now they all mortgaged up to the tits and in negative equity we are surpluss to requirment and the average home owner will only use us if essential.
to get back to the point of the job getting easier what if plasterers had to be "licenced" like a spark or plumber. the materials we use and the waste we produce have enviromental implications so maybe somthing along them lines like having to show your licence to buy plaster and only licencing people with a proven certificate of competence. i know it would probably cost money to be involved in but would mean for the chancers and part timers it may not be worth it so they can find someone elses job to ruin
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I think you are right mate a certificate of competence to work in or on a property perhaps that's linked to your public liability insurance. I know the CSCS card is an attempt at this but not good enough in terms of a 'licence' as such to do domestic as well as commercial work. A bit complicated but would be nice if something were in place especially when you have gone to the lengths of doing an apprenticeship, learning your craft and earning your qualification. I think its different in France for instance you are considered an Artisan and fairly well respected
As well as the flood of semi-skilled blokes tradesmen are on a back foot because of the DIY shops and also Sunday trading - anyone can just walk in off the street into B&Q and buy a chop saw - how made is that, very dangerous in the wrong hands (shouldn't be allowed and no wonder A&E is full up on Sunday)
Having a look I think there is a debate over the Speedskim assisting the semi-skilled. I think this is true but there will always be a demand for a proper qualified tradesman who are able to use traditional methods as well as time savers like our product. There will always be a demand too for tradesman that work in a professional manner (thats the ace card). Its a tough game but the professional will always have his place no matter what :RpS_thumbup:- IMO
Scott
 
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