Don't bank on it

gps said:
Still confused lol, so its ok for ken Clarke, Jeremy Corbyn, two jags, to receive the winter fuel allowance ?

Btw how is it fair that someone who has sponged of the state all their soryy life's get care free whilst someone who has worked has to pay, nothing makes that fair unless it's free for all. Now I'm guessing this has always been the case under any labour led government ?
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It's up to the individual if they think they deserve it and if you have payed your dues you do deserve it, I'm sure you've payed into some kind of scheme and you deserve it? The problem with it is all the form filling which puts a lot off and a lot who deserve it, also the means testing costs just as much and doesn't save anything. Then straight away in typical Tory style you blame the poor, the question you should be asking is it fair for the ones who have paid in never mind the ones that haven't that's irrelevant, the point is it's not fair on the ones who have paid in and let's not forget this is a Tory idea so stop looking to blame labour ffs
 
algeeman said:
yes.......your partner will shag someone new while your kids grow up....
and yer still dead !!!!

peoples beliefs in the people that govern us is astounding.

not trying to sound dismall.....but politics is doom n gloom.
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It is doom and gloom but choices need to be made and if you want less doom and gloom you need to vote for someone who is offering that. I can't see what the tories are offering that is good unless you are super rich because now they are hitting pensioners.
 
algeeman said:
yes.......your partner will shag someone new while your kids grow up....
and yer still dead !!!!

peoples beliefs in the people that govern us is astounding.

not trying to sound dismall.....but politics is doom n gloom.
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Most pensioners kids have well and truly left and won't be doing much shagging about if they are also ill, I wonder what the crack is if you are an old couple and one needs the care and you have no savings and your house is worth £100,000? Would the house be used up by the first spouse hanging on for free years leaving the living spouse homeless?
 
flynnyman said:
Most pensioners kids have well and truly left and won't be doing much shagging about if they are also ill, I wonder what the crack is if you are an old couple and one needs the care and you have no savings and your house is worth £100,000? Would the house be used up by the first spouse hanging on for free years leaving the living spouse homeless?
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I think you've got things super twisted and can't admit your wrong!

The current cap is 23kish.......
They are proposing to basically quadruple that to 100k.

The care costs will be deducted from the deceased persons estate only after they die.

The surviving spouse WILL NOT have to sale a house to pay for the costs of there dead partners care until they either need care or also pass away.
So they won't be left homeless.

They will be left with 100k.

I think we need to see the ironed out policy in full before you start trying to tear it apart with out the full facts.

Can I ask why you make no mention of the fact that the existing policy has a current cap less than the proposed and that you do in deed have to sale your property to pay for care?




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Jgreenplastering said:
I think you've got things super twisted and can't admit your wrong!

The current cap is 23kish.......
They are proposing to basically quadruple that to 100k.

The care costs will be deducted from the deceased persons estate only after they die.

The surviving spouse WILL NOT have to sale a house to pay for the costs of there dead partners care until they either need care or also pass away.
So they won't be left homeless.

They will be left with 100k.

I think we need to see the ironed out policy in full before you start trying to tear it apart with out the full facts.

Can I ask why you make no mention of the fact that the existing policy has a current cap less than the proposed and that you do in deed have to sale your property to pay for care?




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Show me where is says the surviving spouse will not pay? Stop making s**t up and grasping at straws it truly is pathetic you are defending these cuts, when did plasterers suddenly become upper class ffs, give your head a shake
 
flynnyman said:
Show me where is says the surviving spouse will not pay? Stop making s**t up and grasping at straws it truly is pathetic you are defending these cuts, when did plasterers suddenly become upper class ffs, give your head a shake
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....-tory-policy-older-people-pay-for-social-care

Just admit your wrong ffs!
Not the one making s**t up am I, or ignoring the facts of the existing policy.



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Post up where is says who is going to pay for the spouse once the equity has been used on the spouse who died? So every pensioner who owns their own house is wealthy wtf. Tell us how they are better off with the Tory way than now or god forbid you look at what labour is proposing, some people on this forum really think they are no longer working class and think themselves bankers, but really only one letter out, shame on you.
 
flynnyman said:
You read that link? Post up where it says they are better off and their homes won't be sold?
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Always trying to move the goal posts.[emoji57]
First you want to me post up proof there Home won't be sold then to prove there better off.

You asked for proof you have it.
Now just admit your f**k**g wrong for once.








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Jgreenplastering said:
Always trying to move the goal posts.[emoji57]
First you want to me post up proof there Home won't be sold then to prove there better off.

You asked for proof you have it.
Now just admit your f**k**g wrong for once.








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re read it ffs they will offer them a loan against the house so they can stay which bit of that do you think is ok? And a tory promise does not exist
 
gps said:
Better than having to sell your home my friend, you clearly miss the point
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You're missing the point they are taking your house to pay for something you have already payed for, stop with your silly defence your not making any sense and do you not know any pensioners either?
 
flynnyman said:
You're missing the point they are taking your house to pay for something you have already payed for, stop with your silly defence your not making any sense and do you not know any pensioners either?
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Yes one of my friends mum has dementia and has had to go in a home privately funded £1140 per week this is in hitchin. No help whatsoever
 
flynnyman said:
And under the tory death tax once you get down to your last hundred grand your house is now classed as an asset so once you die your house will be sold and the money recouped, did you miss that important bit?
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Right instead of you coming out with all your usual bollucks saying you didn't say this you meant that.

Read your post.
Plain english you've said they take you down to the last hundred grand then your house is an asset and sold when you die to recoup the money.

They pay for your care but take it out of any money or asset you have down to the amount of £100k ONCE you are deceased......HOWEVER they WILL NOT make you sell the property if you have STILL HAVE a surviving spouse until they to are deceased.

With the current policy YOU MUST SELL ANY PROPERTY YOU HAVE immediately to pay for your care.
You also will only be left with 23k.

How can upping the cap to 100k and not making them sell there house straight away be any worse?





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gps said:
Yes one of my friends mum has dementia and has had to go in a home privately funded £1140 per week this is in hitchin. No help whatsoever
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Well you should understand better than most if you actually gave a f**k.
 
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Well you should understand better than most if you actually have a f**k.
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Lets take your argument a bit further, when we all retire should we have our own private pension which funds us in old age, or is it the governments responsibility to provide a pension ?

Those who live off of the state all there life get it
 
gps said:
Lets take your argument a bit further, when we all retire should we have our own private pension which funds us in old age, or is it the governments responsibility to provide a pension ?

Those who live off of the state all there life get it
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It's f**k all to do with pensions let's take it back a little, they have paid into the NI and are being taxed again, another inheritance tax, I know you can see the problem but are too afraid to admit it, I've come to the realisation most plasterers are thick and as long as they are doing as good if not better than their class mates they are buzzing, f**k**g backward c**ts.
 
flynnyman said:
It's f**k all to do with pensions let's take it back a little, they have paid into the NI and are being taxed again, another inheritance tax, I know you can see the problem but are too afraid to admit it, I've come to the realisation most plasterers are thick and as long as they are doing as good if not better than their class mates they are buzzing, f**k**g backward c**ts.
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Where's my reply or is because you were wrong?
Will you admit it yet?

You chat some s**t mind.
Just because people don't agree with what you say makes us backward c**ts?

There will always be a deficit, our tax and NI is not enough to cover every person for everything needed.

Granted it should be care for the elderly that is a priority and they are looked after which a lot of people will.
Dont forget a lot of my generation don't own a house due to prices yet they still work and will pay into the system so potentially they could have all there care paid for.


You've made out this is some sort of new death tax as you call it when there is already something in place which makes the majority worse off!


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flynnyman said:
It's f**k all to do with pensions let's take it back a little, they have paid into the NI and are being taxed again, another inheritance tax, I know you can see the problem but are too afraid to admit it, I've come to the realisation most plasterers are thick and as long as they are doing as good if not better than their class mates they are buzzing, f**k**g backward c**ts.
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Same principle applies, so answer the question please.

And there we have it ladies and gents the usual leftie cry when losing arguments is you are thick, you are racist blah blah blah
 
Jgreenplastering said:
Where's my reply or is because you were wrong?
Will you admit it yet?

You chat some s**t mind.
Just because people don't agree with what you say makes us backward c**ts?

There will always be a deficit, our tax and NI is not enough to cover every person for everything needed.

Granted it should be care for the elderly that is a priority and they are looked after which a lot of people will.
Dont forget a lot of my generation don't own a house due to prices yet they still work and will pay into the system so potentially they could have all there care paid for.


You've made out this is some sort of new death tax as you call it when there is already something in place which makes the majority worse off!


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lol you honestly think it's just me that has picked up on this? You truly have your head in the clouds and your pathetic excuses for what the tories are planning is embarresing what about the triple lock and the winter fuel allowance? I bet you think that's fine as well?
 
gps said:
Same principle applies, so answer the question please.

And there we have it ladies and gents the usual leftie cry when losing arguments is you are thick, you are racist blah blah blah
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Lol you mentioned racist? Yeh you did and if it's not you it's the other backwards one who also cries the racist card. I'm not wrong on anything if you need care in your later years you and your family are gonna lose your family home it's that simple, dress it up how you like and make silly comparisons but you really are pathetic, ignoring what's happening just to win a debate on a forum lol
 
flynnyman said:
lol you honestly think it's just me that has picked up on this? You truly have your head in the clouds and your pathetic excuses for what the tories are planning is embarresing what about the triple lock and the winter fuel allowance? I bet you think that's fine as well?
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There we go look, can't admit it, swerves the answer and then changes the subject.
Your typically Flynny you really are.
Same thing everytime your wrong.

Didn't realise the thread was about the triple lock and WFA......ahhhhh that's right, he doesn't have an answer to my question and can't admit he's wrong so brings something else up [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106] well done mate well done.



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Jgreenplastering said:
There we go look, can't admit it, swerves the answer and then changes the subject.
Your typically Flynny you really are.
Same thing everytime your wrong.

Didn't realise the thread was about the triple lock and WFA......ahhhhh that's right, he doesn't have an answer to my question and can't admit he's wrong so brings something else up [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106] well done mate well done.



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Lol ok what is it that I am wrong about? you started by saying, people not realise that's actually a massive improvement on the current cap of £23k(ish)???!! And I asked you to explain, you didn't and I pointed out your house is now an asset. You keep saying you get to keep your house ( you don't because the government will own it) your partner can stay there for free for the lifetime (which you made up because it's not what the tories are saying) they might say it's a promise but they also said that about the election not happening. If your parents house is used to pay for their care and you are dependant do you honestly think they will let you stay their for life if they have £100,000 tied up in it? To be honest it won't be the government it will be some Tory managed insurance company.
 
flynnyman said:
Lol you mentioned racist? Yeh you did and if it's not you it's the other backwards one who also cries the racist card. I'm not wrong on anything if you need care in your later years you and your family are gonna lose your family home it's that simple, dress it up how you like and make silly comparisons but you really are pathetic, ignoring what's happening just to win a debate on a forum lol
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No they will not lose the home, read the facts my friend read the facts.
 
gps said:
No they will not lose the home, read the facts my friend read the facts.
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Ive read the facts, when they are down to the last £100,000 in equity on their houses the government is gonna take it to pay for their care, tell me it's different and why?
 
flynnyman said:
Show me where I'm wrong especially the bit that says the family won't lose their home once they have died, you seem to forget we own the NHS
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By family you mean spouse yes ? If no spouse the property is sold and the family gets 100,000
 
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