Ok time for a wine fuelled rant, we are getting screwed by the government money grabbing bar stewards, we run two vans diesel, one has a 3ltr engine, got a 4x4 smaller engine 2.7ltr diesel but the 4x4 is dearer to road tax absolute shite, in my mind, got an elderly aunt who drives a wee puddle jumper of a car pays buttons for tax, and to top it off if you drive a car pre- 1960's you don't have to pay tax at all, mind bending!!!!. rant over back to wine and forum scanning