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i have a few questions regarding EWI, I am qualified and have worked on various projects, it's not a case of how to install but more about materials.

really struggling to get materials together, spoke to weber who are just ******* me about regarding the boards and materials, they want to supply the whole system yet they don't manufacture boards (that I know of) so fook knows what they would send.

obviously chucking any old boards up will void any warranty, I think this is happening a lot around here and this is not a road I want to go down, I want to be able to offer customers full guarantees from the manufacturer.

am I suppose to get a rep to every job i price or get suggestions on what system they recommend regarding board thickness, iv had little joy from weber and was hoping to pass some info on to customers.

booked in on various courses through the winter just to try and get my head around everyone's systems and guarantees, just seems confusing to see a lot of private EWI work going on. I can source materials separate but struggle to get full system prices, are people buying any old boards and slamming OCR on top.
 
Plasterers one stop shop sell full systems and various ones at that but once your warranted in a system use that system and follow their spec for that system (normally available as a download frome their website)
 
Thanks warrior, not been impressed with weber to be honest, they are not getting prices and system info back to me so I can't pass it on to customer.

does anybody know what boards they supply?
 
will their local rep not help ,and have you been on their EWI course ,as they are a closed shop if not
 
Why not look at the K-Rend EWI systems? I have always found them to be helpful, and you aren't tied to using branded insulation, or render boards if doing a standard thin coat. I would be happy to send you their reps details or give you some more info.
 
as you say it's a closed shop, but I have sent job info to them and had a response regarding systems, they have told me they are having massive problems with people not using they're full system and therefor voiding any warranty, I was also worried about weber supplying boards and putting a massive mark up on them

are people really buying boards separate, mesh seperate, beads, basing out with OCR and topping off with silicone/acrylic
 
I priced a small dashing job up, the rep wanted me to use everything a newish system call weber.therm.xp they even wanted me to use their dash, but when it came to detail questions about the sills, roofline and beading he kind of went quiet.
 
weber.therm.xp has been out for a few years ,if you are not getting the feed back from them ,i would go to someone else ,or have a day on the Ewi ,just so they know who you are ,sounds silly but thats Weber
 
Different types of system use different type of boards from the same manufacturer it depends on substrates and ratings needed to be achieved.

No tender manufacturers produce insulation board but they will need control of the supply of board to cover the iso and quality control criteria and to uphold any warranty. If u need a warranty including the board to be covered u need to buy the board via the system supplier.

Where u based
 
keithuk said:
weber.therm.xp has been out for a few years ,if you are not getting the feed back from them ,i would go to someone else ,or have a day on the Ewi ,just so they know who you are ,sounds silly but thats Weber
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The appeal of weber is that both my merchants stock most weber gear, but yet when pressed on EWI they go quiet, also the appeal of xp is that it can be finished in various ways, I am booked to go on a weber course for the xp and xm systems which should allow me to supply webers systems in all finishes (dash, mono, thincoat) and do so with webers guarantee.

i use a lot of weber mono, due to price and availability.

regarding ratings, who determines that, do reps come out and perform surveys and then suggest what system (board) they recommend, or do they just pluck random boards from the air.

at the moment I am looking at whetherby, parex, weber and k-rend and fibrocem (not ewi)
 
It depends on loads of different factors, ie what u value you are wanting to achieve, thickness of insulation, type Ie eps or phenolic etc. it's about having an understanding of the work.if a spec has not been supplied , You will look at a job and know yourself what products you are going to use based on experience In my case I fill out all the paperwork of the products I've used and submit them to the manufacturing rep concerned, Obviously a rep cannot come out to every project so there's an element of trust involved.

Build up a good relationship with reps as this will stand you in good stead over the years, and they will go that extra yard for you and throw you leads.it's a small family is the render industry and you meet the same faces again and again as they tend to chop and change manufactors. Case in point a technical bod I've dealt with for years started at sto then went to Enewall and now he's at parex.
 
This is what I'm wanting but I don't know about u values and I'm guessing a lot dont that are installing around here.

i am booked on to go with weber and while I might pick up a few tricks I already know how to fit and finish some systems, I'm wanting to do it right and not just throw boards on the wall and walk off with someone's cash and work which isn't guaranteed.

do weber (or anyone) show you how to calculate u values on these courses, I'm not wanting to go on site I am wanting to sell properly to the domestic market, weber rep didn't seem to provide me with much on board thickness, fixing length and finishing details, just agreed with the system I suggested (xp) with a dashed finish
 
mac_plastering said:
This is what I'm wanting but I don't know about u values and I'm guessing a lot dont that are installing around here.

i am booked on to go with weber and while I might pick up a few tricks I already know how to fit and finish some systems, I'm wanting to do it right and not just throw boards on the wall and walk off with someone's cash and work which isn't guaranteed.

do weber (or anyone) show you how to calculate u values on these courses, I'm not wanting to go on site I am wanting to sell properly to the domestic market, weber rep didn't seem to provide me with much on board thickness, fixing length and finishing details, just agreed with the system I suggested (xp) with a dashed finish
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You wont be shown how to calculate u values. Just the install.
Themanufacturers can advise what thickness epc.to try achieve the uvalue you require.
90mm is the usual down here for a 0.30wmk.


I tries to get weber to spec and price a job for me 1300m. That was in august. Still waiting
 
cheers Dan, Amorok have messaged me I will chat to the later regarding Jub and k-rend systems.

I'm off tomorrow so will keep let people know what they say,

Thanks for the advice gents, Mac
 
Plenty can sort u out up there. Try galaxy insulation in sheffield they supply full system there will be others.

Done a fair bit of plastering work round Rotherham last year on the schools..
 
mac_plastering said:
Not sure if Galaxy do supply, will check though.

SI and Minster seem to be way behind
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They supply full enewall systems. Had 260 bags this week.


The problem with merchants selling systems is that any tom dik n harry can buy and fit without control of quality. That's why merchants are behind on Ewi systems. It should really be sold direct through the approved applicator programme
 
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mac_plastering said:
i have a few questions regarding EWI, I am qualified and have worked on various projects, it's not a case of how to install but more about materials.

really struggling to get materials together, spoke to weber who are just ******* me about regarding the boards and materials, they want to supply the whole system yet they don't manufacture boards (that I know of) so fook knows what they would send.

obviously chucking any old boards up will void any warranty, I think this is happening a lot around here and this is not a road I want to go down, I want to be able to offer customers full guarantees from the manufacturer.

am I suppose to get a rep to every job i price or get suggestions on what system they recommend regarding board thickness, iv had little joy from weber and was hoping to pass some info on to customers.

booked in on various courses through the winter just to try and get my head around everyone's systems and guarantees, just seems confusing to see a lot of private EWI work going on. I can source materials separate but struggle to get full system prices, are people buying any old boards and slamming OCR on top.
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Hi @mac_plastering,

We can supply you with various different system components as well as a full system from Mapei.

If you are looking for a full guarantee on the system you will need to come in for a training session and also be assessed on site before this is given.

We stock the full EPS system and can offer next day delivery on all components. We also stock CPI which many are using as a Render only System with a thin coat finish, this is a cheaper alternative to the specified system. We can also offer that though.

If you want to give me a call and let me know the m2 of the job I can go through all of the components with you and help work out the quantities you need.

Have a good weekend
 
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plasterjfe said:
They supply full enewall systems. Had 260 bags this week.


The problem with merchants selling systems is that any tom dik n harry can buy and fit without control of quality. That's why merchants are behind on Ewi systems. It should really be sold direct through the approved applicator programme
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Wouldn't agree completely here mate... Unless your not classing us in this bracket:RpS_wink:
 
I find weber are not really interested unless its 1000's of m2 but a rep will come out and specify eps thickness. Once you have done there course they will be more helpful then. When you are doing the work take loads of stage photos and email them to the rep they like that.
 
Plasterers1StopShop said:
Wouldn't agree completely here mate... Unless your not classing us in this bracket:RpS_wink:
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I wouldn't be buying from galaxy if I classed everyone in this bracket.

I don't need to mention that you provide approved training for the system you supply as you have done so already.
Like galaxy they market through approved applicators and feed them into the work where they can.
A level of control and care provided with the supply is all that is needed.

Mr cowboy Buying a rake of components from Encon is a different pie all together.

Seee what I'm saying.

I know it can be done done properly and is currently.

I also dread the day you walk into B&Q and pick up 100m sq of Ewi system.

I see our friend Alan at Hartford has had a fair bit of protection gear of you to date. Should be more devs. In the future from him too.
 
Get where your coming from here mate. I agree as well. To be honest the B&Q situation has been on my mind a while.

Unfortunately it's a matter of time....

A Builders Merchants near us has set up as 'Very Eco Friendly' therefore has started selling an EWI system they buy through the buying groups (won't name the manufacturer). It has caused several problems and just means any idiot can buy it. That's what ruins the trade as well.

People need to appreciate EWI is for Professionals and experienced people, not anyone can just do it. They maybe able to make it look good but can cause massive issues elsewhere or in the future.

Cheers for the stuff with Alan mate. Not heard from him in a while though. Will have to give him a shout.

Have a good weekend
 
Its not a hard job to do if you know what your doing but if you don't its going to be expensive , personally I cant see anything wrong with using a basecoat on different boards from other suppliers ,they say you've got to use their scrim their adhesive ,mesh beads ,fixings, base rail,their top coat its all bollcks if you ask me, you just have to know what your doing, like dulux and crown say you must use their under coat their gloss their paint brushes and yes I have mixed and matched without any problems yet
 
It's to do with quality control. If the manufacturer offers a 10-15 or 20 year warranty, they are going to have want to of sold each and every component, to not only make it worth while but make sure the right stuff is being used.
 
Plasterers1StopShop said:
Get where your coming from here mate. I agree as well. To be honest the B&Q situation has been on my mind a while.

Unfortunately it's a matter of time....

A Builders Merchants near us has set up as 'Very Eco Friendly' therefore has started selling an EWI system they buy through the buying groups (won't name the manufacturer). It has caused several problems and just means any idiot can buy it. That's what ruins the trade as well.

People need to appreciate EWI is for Professionals and experienced people, not anyone can just do it. They maybe able to make it look good but can cause massive issues elsewhere or in the future.

Cheers for the stuff with Alan mate. Not heard from him in a while though. Will have to give him a shout.

Have a good weekend
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I hope b q dont start ewi.

All the 1 bag 1 bead spreads ordering their 5metres worth
 
I could easily buy the system separately and throw it up, but as said there would be no guarantee from anyone.

the finish I want for said job is a white/off white dash receiver with white spar chipping, this is why the xp system by weber appealed to mess you can board base mesh top and dash using the same bagged gear.

booked on with weber but if the price I was quoted £35 per m for said system above then I ain't going to be winning many jobs.
 
mac_plastering said:
I could easily buy the system separately and throw it up, but as said there would be no guarantee from anyone.

the finish I want for said job is a white/off white dash receiver with white spar chipping, this is why the xp system by weber appealed to mess you can board base mesh top and dash using the same bagged gear.

booked on with weber but if the price I was quoted £35 per m for said system above then I ain't going to be winning many jobs.
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If u want a thermal dash finished system then enewall from galaxy is deffo worth a shout. Cast renders are their forte.
 
mac_plastering said:
I could easily buy the system separately and throw it up, but as said there would be no guarantee from anyone.

the finish I want for said job is a white/off white dash receiver with white spar chipping, this is why the xp system by weber appealed to mess you can board base mesh top and dash using the same bagged gear.

booked on with weber but if the price I was quoted £35 per m for said system above then I ain't going to be winning many jobs.
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Christ thats what i pay for sto
 
mac_plastering said:
cheers Dan, Amorok have messaged me I will chat to the later regarding Jub and k-rend systems.

I'm off tomorrow so will keep let people know what they say,

Thanks for the advice gents, Mac
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Didn't realise your only on Rotherham , we stock Jub and Alumasc , we could sell you a system and advise you and even get you warranted in the system Inc osa
 
warriorupnorth said:
Didn't realise your only on Rotherham , we stock Jub and Alumasc , we could sell you a system and advise you and even get you warranted in the system Inc osa
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Thanks warrior, I will be looking to get some accreditation & training over the winter from Jub, just looking at where I need to go, Iv already spoken to direct building products and Amorok but I don't fancy going all the way down to Swindon for training, I'm going to speak to JUB tomorrow and ask where the nearest training centres are.

are you moving into stocking/selling product then warrior, I know rendit was setting up around your area are you anything to do with that?
 
No mate rendit is doing his own thing , we will sell the gear to local lads that are into ewi , even put them through their nvq and accreditation , come over and see us if you want . Show you round the warehouse etc
 
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