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KevRM

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after reading many threads on the subject, I can't believe the amount of plasterers that have no clue on how to price a job,


whats the going rate for blah blah blah


ffs rates are different depending on your locality, dending on whether you're on site work or domestic, if it's site work it depends on the company you're working for, for example many years ago on one site two companies had the contract, same builder exact same houses, 1st company was paying £3.20m2 float & set hardwall/multi 2nd company was paying £4.50m2, big difference in price there, but you get my drift,


on domestic works it's you that sets the rate you want!, if you can't do this simple part of the job perhaps you should not be working for yourselves


just my opinion
 
I'm with you on that mate. You look at a job work and out how much for materials, how many days and how much you want to earn a day. Simples!! Unless they have a nice car in the drive and you add the 30% fancy motor tax on...
 
What about when a prospective client sends you some plans on pdf with a total meterage and wants a price? You can't saunter on up and say 'I'll come back when you've built them as I only price jobs by looking round them' they'd have for someone else by then.

I know I'm one of the people you are having a dig at, I can price jobs up by looking at them and working it out by mats/time but there has been the odd occasion just recently where we've worked a job out on meterage for comparison (especially if its a week or mores work).
 
Rhys said:
What about when a prospective client sends you some plans on pdf with a total meterage and wants a price? You can't saunter on up and say 'I'll come back when you've built them as I only price jobs by looking round them' they'd have for someone else by then..
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I never mentioned "Only price a job by looking round them".

if your going to price jobs up on both refurb & New build you should have your own set prices to give as an "Estimate" for both the fore mentioned, like i said the price you would charge in York would be totally different than another would price in London, but ultimately it's up to the individual Plasterer to decide "His/Her" prices

I don't understand the "where we've worked a job out on meterage for comparison (especially if its a week or mores work)." why should the time scale of a job make the amount you want per day differ ?

IMO you end up just undervaluing your own worth
 
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i think pricing jobs is like playing poker! you got to figure out how much they want you and how much you need them! one old spread once told be that if you dont loose the odd job on price you aint charging enough as when you get to retirement age with a body battered by work you deserve every penny you can!
 
KevRM said:

IMO you end up just undervaluing your own worth
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In today's crappy climate (recession) you can give a price for work and one customer will say its very cheap and another will tell you it's too much and get some chancer to do it at £60/day cash.
We don't undervalue our work, though we do price it to the bone (pass on our mats rates to the customer) and hopefully win a job over someone cheaper on our reputation. Doesn't always work like that though - customers usually think cheaper is better for them, on domestic anyway.
 
Why have so many plasterers not got a clue about pricing on the forum ? Because they have all been made reduntant from other jobs, done a weeks course and are now chasing a slice of a market getting smaller and smaller.
 
KevRM said:
after reading many threads on the subject, I can't believe the amount of plasterers that have no clue on how to price a job,


whats the going rate for blah blah blah


ffs rates are different depending on your locality, dending on whether you're on site work or domestic, if it's site work it depends on the company you're working for, for example many years ago on one site two companies had the contract, same builder exact same houses, 1st company was paying £3.20m2 float & set hardwall/multi 2nd company was paying £4.50m2, big difference in price there, but you get my drift,


on domestic works it's you that sets the rate you want!, if you can't do this simple part of the job perhaps you should not be working for yourselves


just my opinion
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This is why prices shouldnt be discussed on an open forum.Everyone has a price/ dayrate what they are worth and they should stick to it. There will always be someone cheaper and more expensive than yourself
 
to make up a quotation is the most important part of any work.
always add extra in case you have to negotiate, how often do you hear from builders knock a few quid off and the work is yours? what are the payment terms? are there any stoppages, ie retention,citb,etc.
 
" how much for cash"............erm its the same. If you pay asda in cash cheque or credit card guess what.............its the same price
 
Although i know where the oap is coming from , yes we should all be able to price our own work . its a fundamental basic .
However, i do read all the associated threads , not because i cant do it but need to know where everybody else is . Its about keeping up , no point in working your b*lls off for? Then find out what everybody else is charin!! because your clients aren't oin to tell you.
One of the major issues is destinquishing between quoted rates that a spread actually rekons to earn and the rates a contractor is expected to charge a client because they can be vastly different .
 
IMO talk of rates on this site only lowers them for everyone.

Some of the stupid meterage prices getting thrown around on here are rediculously low and only a muppet would work for them.
 
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Although i know where the oap is coming from , yes we should all be able to price our own work . its a fundamental basic .
However, i do read all the associated threads , not because i cant do it but need to know where everybody else is . Its about keeping up , no point in working your b*lls off for? Then find out what everybody else is charin!! because your clients aren't oin to tell you.
One of the major issues is destinquishing between quoted rates that a spread actually rekons to earn and the rates a contractor is expected to charge a client because they can be vastly different .
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Why do you need to or want to know, like i said YOU decide how much YOU want ffs it's not rocket science, what anyone else is or can earn should be of no interest as long as YOU are happy with how much YOU Earn, if not rethink your own prices not someone else's
 
Back to my original point, If you are making a living doing this Trade then you should at least be able to Price & Cost a job not matter what type New build, refurb, Re-skim, Damp-proof etc etc with out asking what the going rate is, as i said rates differ from area to area and person to person
 
KevRM said:
Why do you need to or want to know, like i said YOU decide how much YOU want ffs it's not rocket science, what anyone else is or can earn should be of no interest as long as YOU are happy with how much YOU Earn, if not rethink your own prices not someone else's
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no mate it's about chargeing as much as you can get away with . I'd like to earn a grand a day, i think im worth it but i wouldn't get any contracts. Been fairly fortunate i could work for £60 a day but i dont see why i should.
 
well as was first said it very s from region to region ,and also depends on your overheads, and the recession is bringing it down, its called supply and demand ( to many trowels chasing to fewer jobs ,it make them compete against each other a lot more ) so lower prices all round you always have the guys who (will not get out of bed for ) and ( i will never lower my prices ) lol it's the market that dictates to all of us!!!.....
 
I don't think prices should be discussed on here, but only cos it let's the coursers see what to charge. I've yet to have a customer quote any prices from the forum and I doubt they ever will :RpS_thumbup:
 
i like goung to price and they say "ive already had 2 quotes"

so i relpy and i bet they dont even add up to the one im going to give ya :flapper:
 
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