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Im gona be doing some internal rendering.


Im gona do 5 sharp 1 cement bout 10mm thick --- How much waterproofer shall i use?

Im gona scratch it then leave it bout 4/5 hours then 2nd coat...

4 sharp 1 cement bout 8mm thick ----- how much plasticiser???

Then im gona skim next day! Do i need to pva it first?

Also what and when does SBR come to the eqaution??

I have to do both coats in one day and skim the next!!

ANy advice or answers to the above questions would be great. ;)
 
1 How much does it say on the tin
2 ok. but i usualy give a quick scratch and straight over as you go
3 either as your water proofer or if your tanking
4 No, if you skim next day no need to pva
5 ok
 
Does it need 2 coats ??? If its block for example you can do it in one coat,also MAYBE the next day it will still be to soft to skim if you are gonna 2 coat it in a day and your not floating it till late then this could be the case.

Rich
 
ahhh

well as you mentioned it yes its onto big blocks old ones.

so your saying its ok to one coat sand and cement render, thats good enough for me.

so spread it and use feather edge to get flat and the when should i scratch it or float it? im a bit confused?

shall i only put waterproofer in it and not bother with plasticiser?

ta.
 
Its hard to say without looking at the job exactly but if it were me Id get a mix on (I use 5-1) using feb (waterproofer/plasticiser) and whilst its mixing get a bucket of water and give the wall a good wet down, this not only helps control the suction but kills the dust on the old block.

Lay up your render and rule off paying attention to the skirting line,angles and ceiling line. after you have finished ruling off clean your rule and check the wall again then clean up tools and mixer and devil float when it firms up, you dont have to fill in all the small hollows as the skimming will do that the main thing is its straight and flat.

Any one else ?????

Rich
 
the waterproofer will be waterproofer/plasticiser anyway..
float it when its ready to be floated... ???
if theyre lightweight blocks your gonna need to soak em or use gyprime or just wet pva...
if theyre concrete dont bother..
waterproofer is a retarder so although you dont really need it internally it gives you more working time if your one coating it..
use whatever ratio waterproofer it says on the tub.. usually about 1/2 - 2/3 mcdonalds coffee cup to a mix @ 4:1 (a mix being a full mixer)
or about 1/2 litre:25kg cement..
 
sharp sand? i for it was plastering sand and like 3-1 3 plastering sand 1 sharp? and so much cement?
 
your right oasis, a good rendering sand will be something like what you describe, technically sharp for scratch coat, plastering sand (less coarse) for float coat but if you throw some washed soft in with some sharp youll end up with something usable..
im guessin this job is an internal wall without any damp problems too..
sharp sand tends to give up its water easier and therefore sticks well but it'll go off quicker which is another reason you dont want to use it on the float coat..
so.. knock it up with some washed soft and you get the best of both worlds..
its internal anyweay and its gonna get skimmed..
wheres church when you need him? ;D
 
didnt realise that about the 2 different types of sands and there outcomes.

yes its an internal wall 3m sq no damp issues. concrete blocks, bathroom wall.

so which and how much sand do you reckon i get.

can someone tell me where SBR comes into play and what is it?

bigsegs said:
float it when its ready to be floated... ???
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as i said - confused, so how will i know when its ready for floating, could you explain it better ! ta. im guessing when its firmed up a bit?

ta
 
yes basically its one wall thats gona be rendered but theres lots other work on other walls and ceilings that need doing.

I priced for two coating the render but im defo gona only do 1 coat as someone said earlier.
 
segs i sure i put t h i c k n e s s not F*****g roundness
and if you usin waterproofer/plasticiser fruitcake you wont want any SBR
 
I am starting to get the distinct impression that im sitting here in front of my computer with next to sod all work on advising people who have never done any plastering until 5 minutes ago how to go do the work that i would have got had i not been undercut by some chancer who thinks he can go in there with a couple of trowels and knock out the same standard of work that i would..
its demoralising at best..
i aint even gonna post what i think it is at worst..
 
sorry warrior ;D
i changed t.h.i.c.k to round in the filter for a bit of a laff as per the jargon buster in the faq..
id better change it back..
watch this space.. ;D
 
I thought it was just me!
fruitcake, in all seriousness, if you need to ask the questions you're asking you really shouldn't do the job.

The guys on here will advise you on anything but you sound like a complete novice and to be honest you shouldn't be charging people to do something you have no idea how to do.

Sorry if I sound off but I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that.

You need to get with a spread and learn the trade.

There are some things I can't do and so I don't.

I wish you well and I'm sure you're a nice guy but to ask such basics of guys who are scraping for work and then charge some unsuspecting customer, to me, is just unnethical.
 
iv just been to price a job .. is and old care home..they have knocked 2 rooms in to one and there is another room with a damp wall that need hackin bk and remembering ect..i looked at the job at £140 a day looked at it and said 2 days a room.theare tall and have a picture rale splitting the walls aswell(pain in the spain) but no ceilings to do.i know 2 days is plenty of time.. but that's my way of allowing extra time on a job so i can make sure i do the best job pos and if i get out before I'm £££s in.

i did this on a 9 day job..1 labourer for 3 day at £150 (cash to him) including all mats like 20 bags of multi S&C bonding (for patch's) floor protection ect i gave a price of £1630 witch a after tax profit of about £900-1000 guessing i will finishin 5-7 days..do you think this is a good approach they do have another price...
but to reali help me get jobs (and its working) i allways give them my web site address on the phone when i first speak and Say i have many reviews and a portfolio to look at and i tell them I'm part of the best of(town) then i turn up in my sign writtin van with my shirts with the logo a nice printed quote on good paper with a flyer in it and place in a plastic protection ect..and i feel that that goes along way. people keep sayin wow im impressed with the site ect and its good to see all this before a quote..

but i fink if the price ent rite some **** Chance will under cut me with a crappy old van with crappy kit and a crappy quote over the phone!lol

is it all worth it?
 
I have nearly finished my website........ just have to add some photos tomorrow and change the wording here and there, Im hoping it will help me secure work.

Oasis what is is that needs hackin bk and remembering lol

Rich
 
Oasis...The impotant thing with pricing in my expeience is to price fairly.
If you gotta skim for example 2 average 4x4 M rooms that will take 2 days to complete. If it takes longer for any unforseen reason then thats your loss!
Its no good charging for 3 days just incase as this could lose you the job as someone else will come along and it will take them 2 days to complete.
Most plasterers charge the same sort of money around £150 a day.The materials will be the same for both plasterers so it all boils down to how long it takes and how much a day or set u gonna charge.
If your not upto speed of doing it in 2 days then you gotta charge less or you lose the job.
 
Oasis I like your approach. If I was looking for a tradesman I'd go for the more professional approach so long as the quote was fair for the job.
There will always be people out there who'll take the cheapest quote and they'll be the ones who moan about getting a crap job.

Monkeys and peanuts n stuff
 
skimmin2day said:
Oasis...The important thing with pricing in my expedience is to price fairly.
If you gotta skim for example 2 average 4x4 M rooms that will take 2 days to complete. If it takes longer for any unforeseen reason then thats your loss!
Its no good charging for 3 days just incase as this could lose you the job as someone else will come along and it will take them 2 days to complete.
Most plasterers charge the same sort of money around £150 a day.The materials will be the same for both plasterers so it all boils down to how long it takes and how much a day or set u gonna charge.
If your not upto speed of doing it in 2 days then you gotta charge less or you lose the job.
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i fink you've got it wrong mate. i dnt charge more for unforeseen stuff its so there is loads of time and room to do a TOP job with no stress..i can skim a room aday but why rush around like a mad head all ya life id rather price 2 days and get the job by my good website and reviews.seems ta work at the moment..
 
very unhelpful i have to say - ::) some people on here need to get the sticks out of there arses. If you dont want to answer the questions then dont answer at all, go to the next thread miss this one.


anyway ive been plastering for 7 seven years skimming and boarding, lots of domestic and council work. so that rules out the plastering 5 minutes eh segs. talking of 5 minutes youve got your flexcment short course to get you out the recession???? WTF

I use this forum for finding information out, not for giving you lot the inside details of what ive done and who with and why and for how long!!!! Ive asked novice questions on a certain aspect of plastering - so what - just answer them or dont, whats it got to do with you what the details are, dont get me wrong if you want to know the details then ask and ill tell???

ive got to render a wall thats 3m sqaure as ive stated. ive asked a load of questions - just answer them or ignore me.

:-\ OH i forgot to tell everyone ive not rendered before but im a plasterer of 7 years, :-\ OH i forgot to tell everyone ive done loads of this customers house over the last couple of years, all to a high standard skimming boarding artex cover up etc, :-\OH i forgot to tell you now i know i can do 1 coat of render instead of 2 ill be telling the customer so he knows im not ripping him off. I could go! I will....

So anyway you now know i can spread, but not done rendering before so i rekon i can spread render if i mix it properly and add the right ingredients yes-no. i cudnt be bothered cus im doing it end of and the customers probably gona be there having a laugh with me while i do it!!! or better still segs get off your computer and come and show me how to do it instead of being so demorallised ALL the time.

Dpbeds why should i not be doing it if i have to ask the questions that i have to ask, - who are you to tell me that? well?
unsuspecting customer (now a friend)- what the hell are you on about mate, jumping to conclusions, eh just answer the questions and give me advice, Scraping for work - me and u both.


warriorupnorth- i priced for dub coat but then found out i can do single coat. on this thread ::)OH i forgot to tell you ive spoke to the customer about this and the price has been adjusted accordingly????????? grrrrrrrr.
Ive asked questions cus i want them answered, i dont want to come on here to read the s**t ive just read, i just want answers, thats what its for yes, no ??? yes m8 im frustrated with you too.

oasis,
oasis said:
to reali help me get jobs (and its working) i allways give them my web site address on the phone when i first speak and Say i have many reviews and a portfolio to look at and i tell them I'm part of the best of(town) then i turn up in my sign writtin van with my shirts with the logo a nice printed quote on good paper with a flyer in it and place in a plastic protection ect..and i feel that that goes along way. people keep sayin wow im impressed with the site ect and its good to see all this before a quote..
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yes mate you sound amazing and wonderfull, is this what you want to hear., could you have not started new thread for this waffle theres a domestic going on here you know. ;)


so there you have a bit about my life story 7 years palstering but no rendering - but because of this im a chancer who is not allowed to do something ive not done before let alone ask how to do it,. to say im pissed of with what ive read is an understament,. do you know how it works you ask a question you get an answer. All thats happened here is you have made me really uneasy about posting again (but i will). what about all the laboureres or plastereres who have only just started they may read this and think fuk asking anything on that forum and they will probably go to UK spreads instead.

thanks anyway
 
well, fruitcake, it seems to me that all reasobnable questions that were asked were answered quite nicely..
up till the point when i asked you if youd actually ever done any rendering in your life..
which to be honest, with the impression you were giving, i was starting to think youd never even SEEN any rendering being done.. let alone had a go yourself..
now you dont expect to start thinking that of a plasterer.. specaily one of 7 years experience, so i think it would have been fair to mention that at the start... which is why you might find replies like 'float it when its ready (question mark)' had an element of surprise in em..
what you need is a rendering tutorial not a few tips on how much waterproofer to put in (which is written on the tub)
theres a bit more to rendering than skimming...
youd have been better off gettin a spread you know can render to come and give you a hand and chuck it on, its only 3 metres you could have bought him a beer or two..
people (novices) come on here all the time askin advice about skimming, but at least theyve been doing a bit so you aint gotta teach em how to mix, how to lay on (renderings different did you know that? - right to left), what not to do (dont play with it), how to rule off, how to float, how to devil float, how waterproofer behaves as a plasticiser/retarder and its not fully active till its cured.. and on and on..
by all means have a go but expect it to be a bit like trying to explain a butt and scribe joint to someone whos neve seen one done..
like i said you need a tutorial in rendering mate..
 
Who actually renders indoors these days? with the random shrinking and cracking its too risky in my books only time i do it if its gonna just be tiled then it gets a devil float.
 
thanks to whoever for removing the previous post,

yes your right my questions were answered perfectly up till that point, then there was a sudden turn. uncalled for! going on about being undercut by chancers and being unethical and presuming im charging unsuspecting customers things they should nt be charged for. (these amongst some other comments like being told to f off by wussyupnorth are my MAIN issues not whether you or anyone thinks i can or cant do it or needs training)

Ok you think i cant do it and mayby your right but hey ho so wat ill learn the hard way if thats the case, why coudnt the extra questions just be answered by others if you did not feel you wanted to answer anymore. some people said things that just didnt need to be said in my opinion.

anyway listen - dont reply cus i wana go to bed. ill let u know how it goes good or bad :-[

ta
 
maybe some of us feel that instead of asking questions like you know what your about and the thread going on and on and on and on why didt you just say 'look. ive never done any rendering before in my life although ive been skimming for 7 years, ive got three square metres to do for a mate, anyone point me inthe right direction?'
i could have answered that in one post.
now however? get someone else cos i aint no c**t
 
wow wot a big tit? some one said sumit about people under cuttin a price and i added a bit on it..why start a new thread?
wot a complete fruit cake!
 
"Ok you think i cant do it and mayby your right but hey ho so wat ill learn the hard way if thats the case"

and charge for it! That was my point.

I rest my case!
 
come on lads dont be jealous coz some have and some havent, fruit cake asked a perfectly normal question you would expect to find on PLASTERING forum, instead of moaning about him getting work and taking your kids inheritence lol give him the answer and advising him to render oin one coat is takin the piss, scratch it first with a stronger mix than your top coat it will give you time to rule it flat and reduce cracking. Wether he has 7 or 1 years experience doesnt matter he asked a question and if you dont want to answer dont...................:)
 
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