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Just a theory
Turtle................:RpS_thumbup:
 
I love all these theories doesnt at all make us all look like nutjobs, I've been told (by 2 BG reps) that BG have tested it in house, and with several contractors and only made small amounts of it so far, as far as the polymers it has a small amount the clever bit comes from blending the particle size og gypsum they use to make the product. And the testing out of BG was only done once a final formula had been designed. Flynnyman I have skimmed over artex before and had no problems I have also skimmed over artex and had it shell off, so I only put this down to sheer luck rather than BG testing new products on the market with out notifying us all
 
flynnyman said:
Now this is just a theory so dont take it as fact, BG are bringing out a new plaster uni finish which will get rid of the need for PVA. Lets say im BG here is what i would do, i would bring the plaster out but not tell anyone, i would package it up in lets say a Multie finish bag just to test it, its gotta be the best way to test a new plaster to the masses. Yeh im gonna get some complaints about how its workin, but aslong as im not getting any complaints about it falling off it works as a plaster. Maybe i can tweek it a bit coz some people are saying its going off too quick so i add a bit more retarder. With this theory in mind today i tested a bag of multie on a small artexed ceiling without any PVA and you would not believe what happened? Lets look at the evidence;

1) Multie has been playing up recently
2) Casper recieved a bag of uni in a multie bag
3) Every complaint has not been taken serious
4) There isnt any info about the product on BG website (yet)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm what do you recon am i goin mad LOL
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It wouldnt make any difference as multi is always playing up they cant get it to be consistent. Last year was a complete shambles changing over from summer to winter mixes, its the same every year. They make our job twice as hard they are complete tossers. There was a problem with tiger stripes and their excuse was the gypsum they had used was too pure. These guys couldnt even make pancake mix!!!
 
Casper said:
It's all in the polymers :RpS_wink: The first coat does dry very quickly, like multi, but the 2nd seems to resist. I had to see it to believe it...
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Sounds like the experience I had with Durafinish. I used to get Durafinish for £11 a bag so decided to use it on first coat followed by multi on second. I think this is what I will do with unifinish so as to cut out the bond-it and betakontakt. Hardly use pva
 
smudge505 said:
I love all these theories doesnt at all make us all look like nutjobs, I've been told (by 2 BG reps) that BG have tested it in house, and with several contractors and only made small amounts of it so far, as far as the polymers it has a small amount the clever bit comes from blending the particle size og gypsum they use to make the product. And the testing out of BG was only done once a final formula had been designed. Flynnyman I have skimmed over artex before and had no problems I have also skimmed over artex and had it shell off, so I only put this down to sheer luck rather than BG testing new products on the market with out notifying us all
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Don't think I would take what bg say as gospel tbh
 
jamesthefirst said:
Sounds like the experience I had with Durafinish. I used to get Durafinish for £11 a bag so decided to use it on first coat followed by multi on second. I think this is what I will do with unifinish so as to cut out the bond-it and betakontakt. Hardly use pva
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whats the point in that??:RpS_confused: just pva it at prob 50p then skim it with multi
 
NPS said:
whats the point in that??:RpS_confused: just pva it at prob 50p then skim it with multi
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So what's the point in bondit and betakontakt and gyprime etc, etc?
they are all products approved by BG so you either use them or you don't. I do!
 
no idea mate you tell me
i wasnt on about what sh!t you use to brush on first i was on about whats the point in using one type for the first coat and a different type for facing it up
 
NPS said:
no idea mate you tell me
i wasnt on about what sh!t you use to brush on first i was on about whats the point in using one type for the first coat and a different type for facing it up[

The main reason was I didn't like the durafinish workability at the time so the first coat was gonna stick to the painted background saving me time on pva, bondit etc and the second coat with multi or board, with which I knew I could get a decent finish. The cost of the durafinish and pain in getting hold of it put me back to bonding agents with a bit of tooth, I.e betekontakt which is my key of choice as apposed to pva which I never liked going onto cured or tacky.If unifinish came in at £6.50 I'm sure a lot would give it a go with the added benefit of dabbing boards and putting up coving with it too.
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In the past (a friend of mine, honest) has just wetted down small aeras of reskims,and it still takes ages to go off.
 
jamesthefirst, how the hell do you get work, you are rough as hell!! dabbing boards on and sticking coving up with finish???!!! you should rename your self lone ranger, do you drive a silver van?
 
smudge an old plaster i know says that in the early years the boards use to be stuck on with finnish, they didnt get dri wall adhesive back then. (am not saying you couldnt buy adhesive) what do you use to stick your coving?
 
NPS said:
smudge an old plaster i know says that in the early years the boards use to be stuck on with finnish, they didnt get dri wall adhesive back then. (am not saying you couldnt buy adhesive) what do you use to stick your coving?
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We used to stick heads and reveals with skimmin ready for floatin that was a long time ago though
 
smudge505 said:
jamesthefirst, how the hell do you get work, you are rough as hell!! dabbing boards on and sticking coving up with finish???!!! you should rename your self lone ranger, do you drive a silver van?
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Not even my missus knows me as well as you do it seems!!
 
NPS said:
smudge an old plaster i know says that in the early years the boards use to be stuck on with finnish, they didnt get dri wall adhesive back then. (am not saying you couldnt buy adhesive) what do you use to stick your coving?
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Spot on mate we use thistle finish , right or wrong thats what we use.
 
Based on your theory I had two ceilings to skim on to board plus a fair bit of patching around the top of the walls where the old ceilings came down, and wouldn't you know without pva i had no bother at all.
 
i diddnt think youd get away with sticking boards with multi, diddnt think it was up to the job
 
thought they would be was just interested ive only seen boards that have been stuck with bonding and they came off easy aswell
 
finish sticks to boards and other stuff so why not stick boards to other stuff with it
 
jamesthefirst said:
NPS said:
no idea mate you tell me
i wasnt on about what sh!t you use to brush on first i was on about whats the point in using one type for the first coat and a different type for facing it up[

The main reason was I didn't like the durafinish workability at the time so the first coat was gonna stick to the painted background saving me time on pva, bondit etc and the second coat with multi or board, with which I knew I could get a decent finish. The cost of the durafinish and pain in getting hold of it put me back to bonding agents with a bit of tooth, I.e betekontakt which is my key of choice as apposed to pva which I never liked going onto cured or tacky.If unifinish came in at £6.50 I'm sure a lot would give it a go with the added benefit of dabbing boards and putting up coving with it too.
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Didnt mean stick full sheets of boards just the odd head, reveal small bit here and there.Coving shouldn't be a problem for this stuff onto painted walls with no need to scratch for a key.
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