thebigfella
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Alright lads/lasses has anyone been on it? would anyone recommend it? looking to get in to it as a few of my customers are asking for it ?
Krend training day
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johniosaif
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No,but wish I had done it, are you off to Antrim?
keithuk
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Done the weber one ,it will give you an insight and the right and wrongs ,but from there mate your on your own ,but you will start of on the right foot ,i did it ,never looked back , best of luck
thebigfella
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Yes I'm gonna get some details hopefully get something booked soon
I went over to krend 4 years ago for training and to be honest although I was interested in the whole set up the day was piss poor training!does that mean Iam a krend specialist?no dont do enough of it you cant beat experience in it even ewi.sorry to be blunt in saying that there is a lot of poor mono jobs outhere .
thebigfella
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Cheers pal I've done abit of monochouce a few years ago with another spread but not a lot and if I'm gonna start doing this I want to get it right
thebigfella
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Yeah I know I've seen some piss poor work out there will have look in to the cost of the training and maybe try and hookup with some time severed experts in it
keithuk
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Go on the training day ,and go from there ,sure someone on here might let you join them for a day or two in your area , to learn more ,or come down to Kent ,but i only use Weber
plasterjfe
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Lots of poor installers too bag that's just the problem. Seen a job in rainhill the other day people were saying how nice that krender stuff looks....it looked like they scraped it back with a sthil saw, choppy circle teeth marks all over it. Looked shocking
thebigfella
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Yeah I think your right. is there much different in the products like webber over krend or is it just down to personal preferences or cost ?
keithuk
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What did you think of the picture i posted in the pm section ? every time i see a bad job ,i feel it puts people of the product ,which is killing the trade
keithuk
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Personal preferences, in my one trick pony case :RpS_blushing: ,i have just done so much of it over the years , i know the product inside out ,so that gives me peace of mind
plasterjfe
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Yes mate it looked just like that one on the PIC you posted...
It does put people off especially when they see Ewi failing and buildings leaking in it damages the industry.
Its a free trade anyone can "have a go" and they think they are special because they are krend approved etc, Truth is half never ruled a wall in their lives, never batched a mix or understood 2coat work.
You wouldn't believe how many jobs I go to where the customer says "the other lad says this is guaranteed not to crack! And it never needs painting again and its resin based!!!!!, wtf.
I just tell em its sand and cement mix that's colourwd . The basic first rung on the ladder of coloured render....truth is a lot installing actually think it is all of those things hahaha. Chancers about.....
keithuk
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Think they call that "Nail on the head mate " well put :RpS_thumbup:
i did the k rend course around 10 years ago in larne northern Ireland, bit of a waste of cash, as I learnt nothing from an application point of view.
the only real purpose of the course is to give you an insight into the product, don't be under the illusion that your going to be competent with the product after it cos you aint.
I got started in the render game by working with gangs, different gangs and starting at the bottom, its the only way you learn being thrown in, seeing different jobs, different senerios different working methods, I was a skivvy mixing, batching, hand applied, machine applied, diesel machines, electric machines, fixing different ewi systems, acrylics, silicones, lime renders, brick slip systems the list is endless, if you find a gang that does it all you've cracked it. If your a competent renderer using all the different systems youll always earn.
but just on johns note the amount of poor render jobs carried out is unbelievable, I see it right across the spectrum simply because lads don't know what they are doing. the thing with rendering certainly on the domestic front is you need to be a good salesman aswell as a competent renderer, some lads have that in there locker but are lacking on knowledge with the application and end product.
the only real purpose of the course is to give you an insight into the product, don't be under the illusion that your going to be competent with the product after it cos you aint.
I got started in the render game by working with gangs, different gangs and starting at the bottom, its the only way you learn being thrown in, seeing different jobs, different senerios different working methods, I was a skivvy mixing, batching, hand applied, machine applied, diesel machines, electric machines, fixing different ewi systems, acrylics, silicones, lime renders, brick slip systems the list is endless, if you find a gang that does it all you've cracked it. If your a competent renderer using all the different systems youll always earn.
but just on johns note the amount of poor render jobs carried out is unbelievable, I see it right across the spectrum simply because lads don't know what they are doing. the thing with rendering certainly on the domestic front is you need to be a good salesman aswell as a competent renderer, some lads have that in there locker but are lacking on knowledge with the application and end product.
johniosaif
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To believe a days course would make you competent would be folly for sure but its a start.
thebigfella
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I am competent in rendering with s&c and didn't think id be walking out full trained just was looking to see if its a good starting point ideally it would be good to get in with a gang and learn abit more but im not looking to take this on full time just want to be able to do it and do it right, I have enough on with all my indoor work to be fair
There's quite a bit more in a bag of through coloured render than sand and cement, you'd be surprised.
plasterjfe
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To be fair OK there is benefits of factory blend hence why I use it every day
I am aware of the binders, biocides, silicone enhancment the waterproofers, silicas, mineral quartz, lime etc. But theres nothing much more than you can put in well gauged site mix. Hence the reason it turns black and green after a few seasons
I see it all going into the silos when I'm in Italy we also get to inspect other manufacturers ingredients in the lab.
My point is its nothing what the chancers are making it out to be and it is only the first rung on the ladder of coloured render spec nothing more like......customers have a right to know what they are paying for
Look at the k1 thread. And people are telling clients its guaranteed never to crack
To be fair render on its own doesn't crack, but if the blocks crack, which they do in pretty much every occasion then it takes the render with it.
plasterjfe
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There are some product on the market that simply do hairline from shrinkage or separation without interference from the substrate.
This should never happen and is not acceptable.
In theory render won't do anything unless another factor takes it with it i agree 100% but like I said read the k1 thread.
Its a cracking read
This should never happen and is not acceptable.
In theory render won't do anything unless another factor takes it with it i agree 100% but like I said read the k1 thread.
Its a cracking read
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