Lack of support for the plastering trade

[plasteringbooks]

I am very disappointed by the lack of support the plastering trade receives from the major publishers.
Companies like Pearsons will bring out new materials for the other trades, Brickwork, Joinery , and Painting, yet they will not support the plastering trade. And still try to palm us of with J.B Taylor book of plastering
This book was first released in 1970, which at the time was a very informative book, but it belongs back in the 1970’s.

I have tried to address this issue several times with various publishers only to be met with the same response; there are not enough students on plastering courses to warrant any new books.
Why is this I thought, I put this fact down to the school curriculum in the UK, the pupils who want to learn about construction develop skills in Brickwork, Joinery, and Painting, so when they leave school, these are the trades they go into , either as apprentices, or full time students, with very few going into the plastering trade, keeping the numbers low.

I am not the kind of person who takes no for an answer, and thinking of how to address this situation, I wrote my first book Columns, Cornices and Curves printed off ten copies and took it into my teaching sessions, along with the J.B Taylor, and asked the students to choose which book they want to work from, to my surprise they choose mine, and enjoyed looking at the colourful illustrations, with very little text.

So in conclusion as usual us plasterers have to stand on our own two feet , and do it our selves

 

[LongstrokePlastering]

Very true and that book has been like a bible to many of us over the years. When i was in school i wanted to be a joiner but it wasnt until i went on site and gained some experiance did i find my love hate relationship with plastering, wouldnt change it for the world.
Tell us a little about your books? do u sell many and would u be willing to send 1 over to a fellow spread? :RpS_thumbup: @plasteringbooks

 

[plasteringbooks]

Very true and that book has been like a bible to many of us over the years. When i was in school i wanted to be a joiner but it wasnt until i went on site and gained some experiance did i find my love hate relationship with plastering, wouldnt change it for the world.
Tell us a little about your books? do u sell many and would u be willing to send 1 over to a fellow spread? :RpS_thumbup: @plasteringbooks

Love to be able to do that, but even I dont get free copies. I have three books out Columns Cornices and Curves , aimed at level 3 students, Plasterwork Decorative moulding, aimed at everyone, and Basic Plastering Skill aimed at DIY , level 1 and level 2. The best way is to go to my web sitedownloads Try before you buy - plastering Books were you can download 10 sample pages and if you want but the ebook, prices from £3.50 to £4.99. They sell all around the world, especially USA. but I will never make a fortune, I just written them as an alternative to I.B Taylor, which is hard for the student to understand

 

[Arti]

are you saying that JB Taylor is no longer the bible.....................:RpS_crying:

 

[plasteringbooks]

are you saying that JB Taylor is no longer the bible.....................:RpS_crying:

I am afraid to say so, but like many I was brought up on a diet of J.B. Taylor& Peg and Stagg, but times have to move on , the students of today dont understand it,it is too text heavy and hard fro them to use. and to be fair it is so dated that it should be took out of publication.

 

[Arti]

So whats the solution then PB..........:RpS_mellow:

 

[plasteringbooks]

So whats the solution then PB..........:RpS_mellow:

Buy my books same knowledge content, but student friendly

 

[Arti]

What do you mean by student friendly

 

[johniosaif]

Buy my books same knowledge content, but student friendly

Never guessed that would be the answer but if the are good enough why not.

 

[bubbles65]

What do you mean by student friendly

They must be in digital format or something :rolleyes)

 

[johniosaif]

They must be in digital format or something :rolleyes)

Get it on the wall dude ,man that so,cool dude,

 

[plasteringbooks]

What do you mean by student friendly

what I mean by student friendly is that my books are mainly colour illustrations based with text in colour boxes, this helps students who suffer from dyslexia, and cannot read black text onto a white back ground, also my focus if that a picture is worth a thousand words, so what I did was to look at what J.B Taylor had written and re wrote it using colourful illustrations , and small sentances.
My books have received five star reviews and is now being used widely across the colleges in the UK,also my biggest customer base is the USA, where they love them

 

[Arti]

They must be in digital format or something :rolleyes)

:RpS_laugh:...............maybe its in txt spk m8

 

[johniosaif]

:RpS_laugh:...............maybe its in txt spk m8

Sr plas & skm ,lol

 

[plasteringbooks]

Never guessed that would be the answer but if the are good enough why not.

Go to my website and download the sample pages downloads Try before you buy - plastering Books, if you like what you see buy it, if not thanks for looking

 

[plasteringbooks]

:RpS_laugh:...............maybe its in txt spk m8

lol

 

[Arti]

what I mean by student friendly is that my books are mainly colour illustrations based with text in colour boxes, this helps students who suffer from dyslexia, and cannot read black text onto a white back ground, also my focus if that a picture is worth a thousand words, so what I did was to look at what J.B Taylor had written and re wrote it using colourful illustrations , and small sentances.
My books have received five star reviews and is now being used widely across the colleges in the UK,also my biggest customer base is the USA, where they love them

so have you updated it with spray finishes, newer render systems etc or just re-wrote JB Taylor

 

[johniosaif]

Go to my website and download the sample pages downloads Try before you buy - plastering Books, if you like what you see buy it, if not thanks for looking

Joking aside, I wish you the best of luck for this ,not for me, too old and broken.but for many others it could be a great help.and I hope it is and you sound genuine.

 

[plasteringbooks]

so have you updated it with spray finishes, newer render systems etc or just re-wrote JB Taylor

Good point, I have just updated the J.B Taylor, the reason behind this is the new finishes , spray and the render systems are not yet part of the qualifications, when they are I will be writing about them.

 

[plasteringbooks]

Joking aside, I wish you the best of luck for this ,not for me, too old and broken.but for many others it could be a great help.and I hope it is and you sound genuine.

Thanks for this, help me by passing the word onto others, I try to genuine, I have over forty years experience of the trade as both plasterer, and teacher

All I am trying to do is make the trade more accessible to others , and not be put of by the books written years ago

 

[Arti]

Good point, I have just updated the J.B Taylor, the reason behind this is the new finishes , spray and the render systems are not yet part of the qualifications, when they are I will be writing about them.

so which book on your website is your version of the upated JB Taylor?. Could you not right an updated book just for render systems

 

[plasteringbooks]

so which book on your website is your version of the upated JB Taylor?. Could you not right an updated book just for render systems

All three books have been based on J.B.Taylor, Plasterwork Decorative moulding as the title suggests is all about moulding in colourful illustrations, Basic Plastering covers like it say internal, dot and screed, plaster boarding, fixing beads, and rendering, Columns Cornices, and Curves goes more into depth for level 3 students with like the title says columns, cornices, and curves.

My reason behind this is that one book would be to big, and to expensive to sell, no one is going to pay over £50.00 for a book, so by writing three people can choose which part they want to study and it is more cost effective

 

[plasteringbooks]

so which book on your website is your version of the upated JB Taylor?. Could you not right an updated book just for render systems

probably but it would not sell enough to be cost effective

 

[Arti]

All three books have been based on J.B.Taylor, Plasterwork Decorative moulding as the title suggests is all about moulding in colourful illustrations, Basic Plastering covers like it say internal, dot and screed, plaster boarding, fixing beads, and rendering, Columns Cornices, and Curves goes more into depth for level 3 students with like the title says columns, cornices, and curves.

My reason behind this is that one book would be to big, and to expensive to sell, no one is going to pay over £50.00 for a book, so by writing three people can choose which part they want to study and it is more cost effective

unless they wanted all 3

 

[plasteringbooks]

unless they wanted all 3

they can buy one at once, or even in eBook format from £3.50 - £4.99 depending on the number of pages , very cost effective way same content, just digital

 

[Arti]

could you rewrite Fly fishing by JR Hartley.................:RpS_wink:

 

[Fatarm]

.:RpS_laugh:

 

[plasteringbooks]

could you rewrite Fly fishing by JR Hartley.................:RpS_wink:

I see you do damp proofing,I used to do a lot of that type of work, and did a lot of plaster moulding repairs after dry rot in the timber joist.At college we do an NVQ L 2 in damp proofing and we also have links with wykomol

 

[Arti]

I see you do damp proofing,I used to do a lot of that type of work, and did a lot of plaster moulding repairs after dry rot in the timber joist.At college we do an NVQ L 2 in damp proofing and we also have links with wykomol

i detect a new book coming on marra.....................:RpS_wink:.

dont tell flynnymarra about you doing damp proofing at college. he thinks its all voodoo mumbo jumbo...................:rolleyes)

 

[plasteringbooks]

i detect a new book coming on marra.....................:RpS_wink:.

dont tell flynnymarra about you doing damp proofing at college. he thinks its all voodoo mumbo jumbo...................:rolleyes)

could be , now how would it start, Once upon a time there was this old damp house that no one wanted. think kI will have to contact my agent in th morning, could be royalties into for you

:RpS_wink:

 

[Arti]

:RpS_thumbsup: are you saying i could be the next JR hartley

 

[jamesthefirst]

Joking aside, I wish you the best of luck for this ,not for me, too old and broken.but for many others it could be a great help.and I hope it is and you sound genuine.

yeah he sounds like he genuinely wants to sell something! Look forward to his input over the coming months! NOT

 

[Rhys]

Should bring out a ladybird one...
"This is a trowel, the plasterer uses the trowel to put plaster on the wall... See him make a mess."
"This is a joiner, he makes a mess and leaves it, see the plasterer swear at the joiner.."

:RpS_thumbup:

 

[Curry]

Good point, I have just updated the J.B Taylor, the reason behind this is the new finishes , spray and the render systems are not yet part of the qualifications, when they are I will be writing about them.

Thats the main issue with sending a youngster to college on a apprenticeship. Do get me wrong what they learn good but they are being taught out dated methods which unless they go in to the specialist decorative market they will hardly ever use. Would it not be better to teach them methods and materials that are currently used day in day out on site? They should learn about machines and running a business as well.

 

[plasteringbooks]

Thats the main issue with sending a youngster to college on a apprenticeship. Do get me wrong what they learn good but they are being taught out dated methods which unless they go in to the specialist decorative market they will hardly ever use. Would it not be better to teach them methods and materials that are currently used day in day out on site? They should learn about machines and running a business as well.

My thought entirely , but we can only teach what the awarding bodies put into their qualifications. What you have to consider is that the qualifications are national, and the needs of the plastering trade are more local, and they vary depending on which part of the country you live. Some plasterers specialise in ewi, when other plasterers specialise in floor screeding . So for that reason the qualifications tries to cover every aspect of the trade.