lime render

[merlin]

feel bit sorry for mr render.....im sure he is a nice bloke....just has an uncanny knack for upsetting people with bad comments given his experience

He is a nice bloke but like me comes in for some unfair critisism from the same people all the time

ill tell you whats unfair flynny , unfair is someone coming on this forum asking questions bout a product they dont know a great deal about or a method theyre unsure about and bein fed bum info and loosing dough and their reputation just because someone wants to blow smoke up his own arse!

 

[simplybesty]

feel bit sorry for mr render.....im sure he is a nice bloke....just has an uncanny knack for upsetting people with bad comments given his experience

He is a nice bloke but like me comes in for some unfair critisism from the same people all the time

ill tell you whats unfair flynny , unfair is someone coming on this forum asking questions bout a product they dont know a great deal about or a method theyre unsure about and bein fed bum info and loosing dough and their reputation just because someone wants to blow smoke up his own arse!

that would be worth seeing , someone trying to blow smoke up there own arse, saw a bird in some porno blowing smoke out her arse but not up. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[McPlaster]

With some people it's all a facade, i've been plastering all my working life since 1982, site work, domestic work, I try to give advise honestly and based on my own genuine experience, and based on this track record i will always feel at liberty to call a spade a spade.

 

[Render Systems]

Millions of m2 render has been applied with cement in it, complete tosser!

you are the tossa mate.... yes i agree millions of m2 of s and c has been applied, and in the right context are fine, the problem though is when tossas dont know the correct mixes and put stronger mortar on the walls that the walls are made from, cement mortar has no give in it and will crack and pull the faces of bricks, where as lime mortar will move with the structure up to a point and will repair its self due to the free lime content in the mix

it was all down to cost, to save money we scratched with sand and cement over the blockwork then topped the lot off with lime so that the whole house looked the same
just answer me one question , why after posting this do you then post about doin lime over sand and cement, like you said the problem arises when people dont know what theyre doin ???

 

[goody]

With some people it's all a facade, i've been plastering all my working life since 1982, site work, domestic work, I try to give advise honestly and based on my own genuine experience, and based on this track record i will always feel at liberty to call a spade a spade.

on a separate note........whenever i use the word facade in conversation all i get is whaaaat? fa,,,,,saaaaad?? yeah you know the face of the building?.....ohhhhhh i get you now like

 

[simplybesty]

so why did you use sand and cement as a scratch coat and then lime render. you shoot people down and then say you did that. I personally don't care how you do things, Like Steve said, he has been around a long time and I only met him about 3 years ago at Lord and Downings but sense then I have heard nothing but good about his workmanship. I have also been plastering and still am for over 25 years and spent my time with my father who used to do all lime work but neither of us constantly post vids of our lastest jobs or boost about where are last job was. and to answer another question you keep asking, no I'm not a saleman, I'm a spread.

Back to the question, if your an expert in lime renders why did you use a cement scratch. I presume you used lime so the block or brickwork can breath, as you well know, lime render helps the building dry out after a very wet spell as it does not retain the water in the blocks or bricks, if your an expert like you claim you will know that putting a cement and sand scratch coat behind the lime render will have the reverse as cement renders will not let the drying out period as fast and as well as lime would, this will in time cause trapped water to be drawn to the internal walls of the building. You did say that the reason you used lime on that farmhouse and not mono was because it was single skin brick so by putting the sand and cement render on first you are going to create all sorts of damp problems.

 

[theblones]

mono is just as breathable as lime isnt it

 

[simplybesty]

better ask the expert Ian

 

[wwwplasterkingcouk]

cough!!

 

[church]

Trouble is lime work is tyred and tested , mono allthough it has similar ingredients has not been tested over a similar time span has it or was it ?

 

[theblones]

Mono was used in germany over 3o years ago, Nobody guarantees any render for more than 10 years that i know off.
The way i see it is lime was used in older single skin properties because its breathable and waterproof, with the introduction of the cavity wall sand and cement was used as its cheaper and quicker. Meanwhile render companies started making breathable renders that could be finished quicker than lime.
TBH lime is for arty farty knobbers and its not any greener than current products that do the same job.

That my thoughts on poopy llime

 

[goody]

lime pointing on a nice stone wall....lush, as a render in modern times....im not so convinced apart from the diehard eco nuts with money to burn and projects with years for schedules

 

[Render Systems]

so why did you use sand and cement as a scratch coat and then lime render. you shoot people down and then say you did that. I personally don't care how you do things, Like Steve said, he has been around a long time and I only met him about 3 years ago at Lord and Downings but sense then I have heard nothing but good about his workmanship. I have also been plastering and still am for over 25 years and spent my time with my father who used to do all lime work but neither of us constantly post vids of our lastest jobs or boost about where are last job was. and to answer another question you keep asking, no I'm not a saleman, I'm a spread.

Back to the question, if your an expert in lime renders why did you use a cement scratch. I presume you used lime so the block or brickwork can breath, as you well know, lime render helps the building dry out after a very wet spell as it does not retain the water in the blocks or bricks, if your an expert like you claim you will know that putting a cement and sand scratch coat behind the lime render will have the reverse as cement renders will not let the drying out period as fast and as well as lime would, this will in time cause trapped water to be drawn to the internal walls of the building. You did say that the reason you used lime on that farmhouse and not mono was because it was single skin brick so by putting the sand and cement render on first you are going to create all sorts of damp problems.

your on about two different farm houses one customer wanted it done on the cheap and the otherone wanted lime throughout

 

[simplybesty]

Its not that much cheaper putting a scratch coat of s&c on first and also not the correct method so i think your avoiding the answer mate. Its something that a lime renderer would never do because of the problems it can cause, I myself have been asked to do the same thing but refused. my answer was always if you want lime render then it has to be all the way or its pointless doing it in lime. Try a little harder than blaming the customers pocket PLEASE

 

[Render Systems]

Its not that much cheaper putting a scratch coat of s&c on first and also not the correct method so i think your avoiding the answer mate. Its something that a lime renderer would never do because of the problems it can cause, I myself have been asked to do the same thing but refused. my answer was always if you want lime render then it has to be all the way or its pointless doing it in lime. Try a little harder than blaming the customers pocket PLEASE

Im sick of talking to you t0$$a

 

[merlin]

lol,

 

[simplybesty]

Its not that much cheaper putting a scratch coat of s&c on first and also not the correct method so i think your avoiding the answer mate. Its something that a lime renderer would never do because of the problems it can cause, I myself have been asked to do the same thing but refused. my answer was always if you want lime render then it has to be all the way or its pointless doing it in lime. Try a little harder than blaming the customers pocket PLEASE

Im sick of talking to you t0$$a

All im asking is for you to tell us why you did what you did but you cant, I learnt my trade on lime. All you do my friend is put out a fancy video. also i would like to ask this, If you have been doing mono for 30 years why did you only get parex approved in 2009 and if your that good, why did you bother at all, after 30 years you wouldnt need to be approved. Is it hard to get on the parex list .??

 

[Render Systems]

Its not that much cheaper putting a scratch coat of s&c on first and also not the correct method so i think your avoiding the answer mate. Its something that a lime renderer would never do because of the problems it can cause, I myself have been asked to do the same thing but refused. my answer was always if you want lime render then it has to be all the way or its pointless doing it in lime. Try a little harder than blaming the customers pocket PLEASE

Im sick of talking to you t0$$a

yawn yawn yawn...
All im asking is for you to tell us why you did what you did but you cant, I learnt my trade on lime. All you do my friend is put out a fancy video. also i would like to ask this, If you have been doing mono for 30 years why did you only get parex approved in 2009 and if your that good, why did you bother at all, after 30 years you wouldnt need to be approved. Is it hard to get on the parex list .??

 

[simplybesty]

I take it your not going to answer the questions then

 

[merlin]

i think hes sick of talking to you paul lol

 

[simplybesty]

he aint talked to me, just called me names. Im only asking questions that should be asked. if you go round calling people tossers and say they dont know what there doing then everyone has the right to ask questions.

 

[merlin]

charlatans a word that springs to mind!

 

[southernmonkey]

bender your a c unt ...end ov ...and i'm not talking to you anymore ...t**t

 

[Pug]

thank fcuk for that!

 

[southernmonkey]

shut up pug or your next lol

 

[Pug]

get to back of the queue! (you'll have a long wait) ;D

 

[simplybesty]

were still bloody waiting mr render systems for the answer to our question To$$er ;D ;D

 

[merlin]

dont think hes gonna answer paul ,lol

 

[Gibbo]

your like a bunch of little girls

 

[merlin]

sorry dad!

 

[Gibbo]

thats alright son

 

[simplybesty]

only want a reply gary, thats all

 

[church]

What was the question again?

 

[merlin]

Millions of m2 render has been applied with cement in it, complete tosser!

you are the tossa mate.... yes i agree millions of m2 of s and c has been applied, and in the right context are fine, the problem though is when tossas dont know the correct mixes and put stronger mortar on the walls that the walls are made from, cement mortar has no give in it and will crack and pull the faces of bricks, where as lime mortar will move with the structure up to a point and will repair its self due to the free lime content in the mix

just answer me one question , why after posting this do you then post about doin lime over sand and cement, like you said the problem arises when people dont know what theyre doin ???

 

[church]

i see ;D its a nightmare plastering sometimes , all you want is an easy life . :-\