minimum wage
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superspread
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Yeah, it's a good thing but it shouldn't need a government to set it. I started the business I have now in 2010, and I took on a semi-skilled lad who was 22 at the time. I paid him £10:00 an hour for labouring because I wouldn't feel right paying anyone less than that. It was/is up to me to run the business properly so that it makes a profit, which means charging the correct rates to do so. So for me the minimum wage going up won't make a blind bit of difference.
To make a business work you have to charge the right rates. If you're making it work by paying people poorly then at best your business doesn't work and you should change it or do something else. At worst it's taking advantage of people and making your life better by fcuking up someone else's.
As for what will happen with rates going up, it simply means most people will have to pay more for most goods and services. There's no extra money magically created, it's just the same amount shared out in a different ratio.
superspread
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We've all been in travis Perkins , Jewsons etc, and been offered gear by the yard men , nudge nudge wink wink, cos thry earn s**t money , if they were paid a reasonable amount , there's no way they would want to lose there jobs for the odd 10 20 quid . Hence travis etc making more money with a load of happy and helpful staff
( Yes there's always exceptions to the rule )
( Yes there's always exceptions to the rule )
Supermarkets have usdaw as there union and who help negotiate the pay increases, never strike for this do they ? They employ a lot of people and it would hurt if all of a sudden they had to pay an extra £2 plus to everyone an hour.
But what about the local shop who is just keeping above the breadline who employs a couple of staff it affects them massively
superspread
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there is a reason many companies only use subbies I've worked for firms one for 8 years always as a subbie and he was always telling me his accountant said I should be on the cards as I was earning same every week regardless but he always managed to get round it then when recession hit I got laid off with 2 days notice a shelf stacker isn't really a skill is it and how can they be on only 3 quid less than a bloke who has got a trade and a skill and went through sacrifice years before to get in a position of earning a decent wage, the average subbie will earn 30-35k a year so if your offered a job at 32k a year as a plasterer on the cards with van fuel materials holiday pay bank holidays off I think it's a bit of a no brainer myself as you haven't got to have a van maintain it pay for it fill it up weekly chase the work a van and fuel got to be worth at least 6k a year easy so that takes you close to the 40k mark it ain't for everyone but some it will suit
superspread
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Really ? Take a look at the high town centres and all the businesses that have gone to the wall, it's not the same for all. People have a choice to either work for money on offer or look elsewhere
superspread
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Very good post, the people who are keeping the prices down should be the ones getting the stick not the lads charging a decent wage
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They are, but not to any great degree. The person at the lower end has a certain amount of choice over where and on what, they spend the extra money. The shareholders paying the additional amount will have slightly smaller dividends as there's less flexibility in larger corporations.
I realise that's an over-simplification as there are a whole host of other factors involved.
Vincey
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Serious I recon I could make more money washing cars than plastering sometimes
zolco
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Every single company is representing their shareholders and not the workforce, the company is set up to make money, it's not a charity. Probably sounds stupid but that's how I see it.
I always wonder how corner shops survive, how they can make a living when the shop has empty shelves etc.
I always wonder how corner shops survive, how they can make a living when the shop has empty shelves etc.
Trouble is we all have bills to pay, mouths to feed. Managed to push my prices up a bit this year but pricing at the figure I am happy with seems to be unsuccessful.
I was a non emergency ambulance controller for g4s which was a hard job to be good at (very stressful as no resources to work with) and was paid less then 10 an hour, even worse the drivers earnt like 18k. Big companies are just after profit and don't give 2 craps for their employees. Cost of living is rocketing so wages have to go up and if companies are not forced.... well they wouldn't pay any more then they HAVE to would they.
Your right it's not charity but companies that make millions with people up top earning telephone numbers whilst the people at the front only earn minimum wage no matter how well they work...... Well no wonder people don't want to work anymore lol
zolco
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Unfortunately this is how it is, and i cant see a way to change it. I'm not saying that it's right, quite the opposite. It's always big firms because they have the power at the government to do as they like.
Quite right zolco, it's always been the same and not likely to change either. Still, that's why we work for ourselves
stuart23
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And there workforce has to claim benifits just to make ends meet. It really is a fked up world we live in.
Oh yeah I forgot about that one. So really big companies charge what they need to earn millions for shareholders whilst paying minimum wage to employees that have to get benefits to survive, which comes from us. As you can see I don't like big companies and I think utilites, rail etc going private was a big f**k up to our country ......... unless your a high flyer anyway.
Cornelius
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What firms offer £32k a year?
Maester
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Must be awful to be on minimum wage. Not only minimum wage but zero hours, as well. No pension. There's no excuse for big business. Just unadulterated greed. Lidl and Aldi pay above the minimum wage, have good pension schemes etc John Lewis have the best setup. All employees are partners and share in its success and so have motivation. It can't be right that you work forty hours a week and yet are are on the verge of homelessness if you get an unexpected bill or you lose your job.
Maester
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Can't stand all that poverty porn crap they show on channel 5. Richard Desmond. Jesus. There's a good book by Owen Jones entitled Chavs: The Demonisation of the Working Class. How under Blair and Thatcher the working class are no longer the backbone of the country or the salt of the earth but the scum of the earth. Worth a read.
Pagey
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I'm in London mate and a few do I know a few blokes on it as well if it's a direct housing association but if it's a subcontractor for them you will only get 26-29k tops it's still plastering and people doing the jobs ain't all cowboys
Cornelius
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Suppose living costs more expensive in London.
john simpson
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Simple question I'm response to the argument that if wages increase then living costs will rise.
Wages have decreased or stayed stagnant for years yet the cost of living has soared.
Hows that fit into those arguments?
Wages have decreased or stayed stagnant for years yet the cost of living has soared.
Hows that fit into those arguments?