Monkey Boy
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New pound coins ain’t round either he living in the past
Plastering over fresh plaster
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Spitandpolish
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New is, you know, better than "the old" mate !
Of course they are monkey boy, what shape do you see them as ?
zomex
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Round 2.
Managed to get 2 coats on this time. First mix was too wet so made a right mess. I think with a bit of sanding and filling it will come out ok.
Got the plaster much smoother this time and didn't have to SDS my bucket
2 more small walls to do then I'll retry the other side of my first attempt.
Managed to get 2 coats on this time. First mix was too wet so made a right mess. I think with a bit of sanding and filling it will come out ok.
Got the plaster much smoother this time and didn't have to SDS my bucket
2 more small walls to do then I'll retry the other side of my first attempt.
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ChrispyUK
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Make sure you get a water brush on your angles…not too soon though.
Spitandpolish
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Good job Zomex
Listen very carefully to what @ChirpyUK says though !
He is without a doubt, and by many miles, the most experienced plasterer on here, off all time mate !
zomex
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Making some improvements (I think). really enjoying my plastering journey.
The big"er" wall took me a long time and the second coat was starting to set so I added some water mid way and I just got away with it. Think this size is my limit at my current speed.
I see those powder things in wickes which slow the setting down. I'm sure you guys use the speed up ones, are they any good?
The big"er" wall took me a long time and the second coat was starting to set so I added some water mid way and I just got away with it. Think this size is my limit at my current speed.
I see those powder things in wickes which slow the setting down. I'm sure you guys use the speed up ones, are they any good?
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Spitandpolish
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Extra time, yellow wraps mate, as previously mentioned !
It would help you out a great deal,!
Also, never ever remix gear, its bad practice and they should hang you for much less !
Keep up your good efforts Zomex ! ..............Although "they" would never admit it, being far too much
"right up themselves", most on here are impressed of your diligence mate !
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zomex
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Extra time, yellow wraps mate, as previously mentioned !
It would help you out a great deal,!
Also, never ever remix gear, its bad practice and they should hang you for much less !
Keep up your good efforts Zomex ! ..............Although "they" would never admit it, being far too much
"right up themselves", most on here are impressed of your diligence mate !
Ah i missed that it was mentioned before.
Thank you for your kind words. I have been renovating my house for 5 years and done everything from ripping back to bring, pulling down old path and plaster ceilings, plaster-boarding, insulating, building stud walls, concrete etc. My biggest claim to fame so far is converting a outside workshop to a office. Plastering I always brushed off as not a DIY job. And to some extent it is true in most cases. But my goal is to get to walls to a "pass" state for a every day person looking at them. I believe a tiny bit of filling and sanding and I have reached that goal. But I would like to get better and better.
zomex
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Tried before, never looks good unless you are really good with taping and jointing. Also it takes a hell of a lot of time and is messy. Even my plastering now as a beginner is creating a much better finish than that.
Checked my new wall this morning and it's by far my best. Flattest and smoothest so far.
zomex
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I appreciate the advice and time given by you all. I hate keeping asking questions but I have a couple to throw out there.
I am currently beading the Velux window. The reveals were put in by the guy who installed the window to meet the existing plasterboard. The reveals are all at different angles (I know they are sometimes angled out for sun light but they are not consistent).
I ended up pulling all of the old platerboard down and using soundboard + 100mm PIR which is why I had to fill the gap.
3 beads went on nice, marry up at the bottom (see attached) but on 1 side there is a 5-10mm gap between the bead corner and plasterboard corner because the angle isn't 90 degrees. Will I get away with getting some filler in there to make it solid between the bead and wall?
The top bead won't go on due to angle (see attached). Should I get a 45 angle and get it as close as possible?
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For the some matt painted plasterboard (the window reveals) which I plan to plaster over. I have read SBR or PVA. If using SBR should I 50/50 with water 1 coat then neat the next?
I am currently beading the Velux window. The reveals were put in by the guy who installed the window to meet the existing plasterboard. The reveals are all at different angles (I know they are sometimes angled out for sun light but they are not consistent).
I ended up pulling all of the old platerboard down and using soundboard + 100mm PIR which is why I had to fill the gap.
3 beads went on nice, marry up at the bottom (see attached) but on 1 side there is a 5-10mm gap between the bead corner and plasterboard corner because the angle isn't 90 degrees. Will I get away with getting some filler in there to make it solid between the bead and wall?
The top bead won't go on due to angle (see attached). Should I get a 45 angle and get it as close as possible?
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For the some matt painted plasterboard (the window reveals) which I plan to plaster over. I have read SBR or PVA. If using SBR should I 50/50 with water 1 coat then neat the next?
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Spitandpolish
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That's the spirit mate !!!! What do you do for a living ?
Spitandpolish
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You want a thin coat stop bead there mate , staples and a bit of tubed adhesive should do the trick. Prime the background before you start , will give the adhesive a better shot. SBR is good for very dry substrates, if its painted board I'd be tempted to grit it mate . Green grit , Cementone, B&Q do it in small tubs .
John j
Mono Don
zomex
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What a great help cheers everyone. All noted and i will crack on with that. Got the Extratime Plaster packs on order too. Looking forward to giving them a go.
My photo is about 9 years old.
In short for work I am 70% web developer and 30% swimming pool builder.
Long story I started a online business at 19 which I still run today. It is in web development (creating and providing website templates). Not rich by any means but did well enough from it to buy the house. The last few years business has slowed down as the industry is changing.
Met a landscaper who I train boxing with. We replaced all of the old clay drainage in my garden (constant blocks due to cracks). Long story short he said if I ever need a job speak to him. Since then he moved to building high end swimming pools. I now work part time with him and I am learning a lot.
My photo is about 9 years old.
In short for work I am 70% web developer and 30% swimming pool builder.
Long story I started a online business at 19 which I still run today. It is in web development (creating and providing website templates). Not rich by any means but did well enough from it to buy the house. The last few years business has slowed down as the industry is changing.
Met a landscaper who I train boxing with. We replaced all of the old clay drainage in my garden (constant blocks due to cracks). Long story short he said if I ever need a job speak to him. Since then he moved to building high end swimming pools. I now work part time with him and I am learning a lot.
Spitandpolish
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Do you have a big G** pool trowel, as in a "Kirk Giordano" style mate ?
I told my son, only yesterday, get me one of those f**k**s for my birthday lad !
zomex
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Do you have a big G** pool trowel, as in a "Kirk Giordano" style mate ?
I told my son, only yesterday, get me one of those f**k**s for my birthday lad !
Ah that guy I remember his videos. He's a beast.
Most customers choose to go with pool liners (cheaper) which are heat welded so I haven't done any tiling yet. The pools he does are chemical free using filters. The rich love a "eco" pool
Spitandpolish
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The rich are spoiled !!!Ah that guy I remember his videos. He's a beast.
Most customers choose to go with pool liners (cheaper) which are heat welded so I haven't done any tiling yet. The pools he does are chemical free using filters. The rich love a "eco" pool
Keep taking the money though, and the more the merrier mate
zomex
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Used bonding for the first time yesterday. Used it on the window reveal to get it flat and also on the ceiling where I used different plasterboard (went with separate plasterboard and PIR to save £££).
Going to plaster the window reveals, get them finished while waiting for the double time stuff
Going to plaster the window reveals, get them finished while waiting for the double time stuff
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Monkey Boy
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pva the hell out of that bonding first
zomex
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Yeah I will be. Will do 3 coats before. I also PVAed before bonding as it was painted plasterboard
Spitandpolish
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I got myself a brand new 18'' Marshaltown SS pool trowel today ! For the big ceilings it is ! Don't get too jealous there mate !
zomex
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I got myself a brand new 18'' Marshaltown SS pool trowel today ! For the big ceilings it is ! Don't get too jealous there mate !
That's too big for me to handle mate
Spitandpolish
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What trowel are you using mate ?That's too big for me to handle mate
Monkey Boy
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Why was plasterboard painted?
Spitandpolish
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Someone painted it !
zomex
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Spitandpolish
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Nooo ! Ok , that's good, if that's working it can only get better !Brace yourself - A Wickes basic trowel
Marshalltown carbon 14''
Thank me whenever mate !
zomex
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Because during lockdown me and a mate gave it a go and half assed it before I knew any better. Since then I understand a lot more and pulled down everything apart from the window revewals (as they were well secured), a back wall (as it's well insulated with rock wall) and the cieling (also well insulated).
I had a lot of timber left over from my house (originall 100mm timber) so I re-did the match sticks used by the old owner. Used thicker PIR insulation between rafters and 25mm on top, used soundboard (original was 9.5mm plasterboard as the only available during lockdown).
I originally painted plasterboard for the whole room thinking it's fine as only a loft but now I've done everything properly
zomex
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I've read some horror stories on how bad plaster is if you get it in a eye.
So like a DIY guy I started wearing glasses for it. But when mixing bonding some got underneath the glasses and right in my eye. Thankfully that wasn't plaster ahh.
Gone a bit OCD with the walls and I have used more bonding to make perfectly flat. I hate how bonding drags but it comes out nice when finished. Almost ready to start plastering again.
Also got the SBR to paint over my first attempt
So like a DIY guy I started wearing glasses for it. But when mixing bonding some got underneath the glasses and right in my eye. Thankfully that wasn't plaster ahh.
Gone a bit OCD with the walls and I have used more bonding to make perfectly flat. I hate how bonding drags but it comes out nice when finished. Almost ready to start plastering again.
Also got the SBR to paint over my first attempt
zomex
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A bit of a update. Wall bonded and first coat SBR coat (watered down) on my first plaster attempt.
What do you guys recommend for the bonding. Is it best to PVA or SBR?
Also plastered the window reveal. Quite a challenge as a beginner with all the angles. It's a do your best and fill the rest situation
Cheers lads
What do you guys recommend for the bonding. Is it best to PVA or SBR?
Also plastered the window reveal. Quite a challenge as a beginner with all the angles. It's a do your best and fill the rest situation
Cheers lads
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ChrispyUK
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Happened to me a couple of times and it ain’t nice tbh. The worst time was when I completely flooded my eye with plaster, so went to A and E as just round the corner. I think the clean up and the plastic gizmo they put in your eye is worse than the feeling of the plaster tbf. Most of the time if I cut or bash myself, I just carry on as I’ve got a high pain threshold, but felt sick as a dog with this. I left the van on the job and my work mate drive me to my mates and got smashed. Woke up feeling fine.
Just don’t overload your trowel and be directly underneath. Nice steady progress. You only have to move whatever your standing on a few inches to be in a better position and a bit more protected.
Reg bonding, put on a few pissy coats of pva. It’ll soak in better rather than a thick mix which will just skin over on the top, and you’ll know when it’s ok as it’ll stop drinking it and take longer to dry off. Pva those boards as well as old PB can suck like mad if you’re not careful. You can use it to your advantage sometimes, a bit like skimming over hardwall the next day, but not in your case. Looking at what you’ve done, I would mix up a thin/wet coat of bonding after pvaing, and give it a further flattening as it looks a bit rough in places tbh.
You can just level out areas with finish and not use bonding if it’s not too bad. If you’re on your second mix in one section and moving to another after, then use up leftovers to dub out low spots and beads but don’t over stretch yourself. You can always do a little mix to fix the shitty bits before continuing with your 2 coats.