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[flynnyman]

So is the goverment going to tell everyone, when you have work done at your'e house, ask them for a card ?.

NO i am lol............. i dont think you will need the card to work on someones house, that is a personal choice but if lets say you got a spread, joiner, bricklayer and you never knew them or they werent recomended and you were aware of this card that shows they are qualified would you ask to see it?

 

[flynnyman]

i've always thought that del i dont think there ever will be a national advertising campaign with regards to cscs like there is for gas safe as you cant really kill anyone with a bit of dodgy skimming

Unless the ceiling drops on there head or something from the scaffold they are working on falls on you or the switch they undone electricutes you but appart from that no.

 

[del]

i've always thought that del i dont think there ever will be a national advertising campaign with regards to cscs like there is for gas safe as you cant really kill anyone with a bit of dodgy skimming

I think your'e right, The goverment is having a re' think at the mo, about sparky's and plumber's course's, too many don't have the experience, which makes them dangerous. With brown having spent all the money, i can't see things changing too much.

 

[flynnyman]

well how much more money do you think CSCS would make if they did advertise do you think the money they made from the cards would pay for the ad?

 

[del]

Your'e probably right flynny, after all, its a money making scheme.

 

[lucius]

Its all money making crap also some of the worst plumbers ive employed were corgi registered.
Lucius

 

[flynnyman]

well had the test and well you guessed it i passed yeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaa but got stuck on one question

what hat would you wear on site?

A) A Top Hat
B) A Hat trick
C) A Hard Hat
D) A Hattey Jakes

To oasis stop searching it was C

 

[oasis]

my self i would were a top hat and a bottom hat as you never no wots around the cornor.

 

[Nisus]

Every time someone mentions private work, this Mrs Jones' name is mentioned. She must have a very big house, because just about every tradesman on every forum has worked for her.

nice one

Well I ain't done any site work for a few years, I mainly do insurance & private work now.
The thing is cscs health & safety is more site related than domestic.
How many times have you wore a hard hat in someones house when skimming Walls ;D
I can't see mrs jones ;D saying sorry your not allowed in my lounge today where is your cscs card & you're hard hat boots & hi vis jacket
And if someone asks me for it on domestic jobs I'll tell em they are only required for big sites for health & safety purposes not for domestic work, someones winding you up love;D

 

[Gibbo]

well im on a site now and if you havent got quals on the back of card bye bye

 

[flynnyman]

well im on a site now and if you havent got quals on the back of card bye bye

And next year will get worse

 

[flynnyman]

Every time someone mentions private work, this Mrs Jones' name is mentioned. She must have a very big house, because just about every tradesman on every forum has worked for her.

nice one

Well I ain't done any site work for a few years, I mainly do insurance & private work now.
The thing is cscs health & safety is more site related than domestic.
How many times have you wore a hard hat in someones house when skimming Walls ;D
I can't see mrs jones ;D saying sorry your not allowed in my lounge today where is your cscs card & you're hard hat boots & hi vis jacket
And if someone asks me for it on domestic jobs I'll tell em they are only required for big sites for health & safety purposes not for domestic work, someones winding you up love;D

And they might say im not stupid im aware they are used on site for health and safety purposes but they also have your qualifications on the back i seen it on the tv advert and the billboards and going off your answer im assuming your unqualified so in that case you are the weekest link goodbye

 

[Freerider]

Every time someone mentions private work, this Mrs Jones' name is mentioned. She must have a very big house, because just about every tradesman on every forum has worked for her.

nice one

Well I ain't done any site work for a few years, I mainly do insurance & private work now.
The thing is cscs health & safety is more site related than domestic.
How many times have you wore a hard hat in someones house when skimming Walls ;D
I can't see mrs jones ;D saying sorry your not allowed in my lounge today where is your cscs card & you're hard hat boots & hi vis jacket
And if someone asks me for it on domestic jobs I'll tell em they are only required for big sites for health & safety purposes not for domestic work, someones winding you up love;D

And they might say im not stupid im aware they are used on site for health and safety purposes but they also have your qualifications on the back i seen it on the tv advert and the billboards and going off your answer im assuming your unqualified so in that case you are the weekest link goodbye

and then she gets a s**t job done by someone with so called qualifications and never believes in the system again..

qualifications dont mean f**k all.

 

[church]

I think the reason plastering prices didn't go up that much over the last 15 years is because of the rise and rise of dot and dab and tape and jointing, you can teach a monkey to dot and dab and tape and joint to a "reasonable" standard. When most of the houses were float and set it took time to become a tradesman plasterer. Now you have more and more houses being D&D and then skimmed, and you have people that can only skim (again not that skilled) calling themselves plasterers. The more the real skill is taken out of the trade the more we will be looked upon as a joke trade with low wages.
I know there are lads on here who will think I'm having a pop at them but I'm really not, it's just the way I feel things have gone.

I totally agree .

 

[flynnyman]

Every time someone mentions private work, this Mrs Jones' name is mentioned. She must have a very big house, because just about every tradesman on every forum has worked for her.

nice one

Well I ain't done any site work for a few years, I mainly do insurance & private work now.
The thing is cscs health & safety is more site related than domestic.
How many times have you wore a hard hat in someones house when skimming Walls ;D
I can't see mrs jones ;D saying sorry your not allowed in my lounge today where is your cscs card & you're hard hat boots & hi vis jacket
And if someone asks me for it on domestic jobs I'll tell em they are only required for big sites for health & safety purposes not for domestic work, someones winding you up love;D

And they might say im not stupid im aware they are used on site for health and safety purposes but they also have your qualifications on the back i seen it on the tv advert and the billboards and going off your answer im assuming your unqualified so in that case you are the weekest link goodbye

and then she gets a (german word) job done by someone with so called qualifications and never believes in the system again..

qualifications dont mean (french word) all.

Is that something you will tell your kids?



Lets have it right would you deal with someone with qualifications or someone without? doesnt matter what line of work we are talkin and be honest.

 

[GrantyBoy]

Quilifications? It's not brain surgery if someone makes an arse of a job they get told to do one without pay. 90% is usualy through word of mouth on domestic so this 'mrs jones' has decent peace of mind of getting a good standard of work. If they are in doubt you could put past customers in touch with her giving theyr opinion on your standard of work. The cowboys always get found out in the end. Quilified or not.

 

[flynnyman]

Quilifications? It's not brain surgery if someone makes an arse of a job they get told to do one without pay. 90% is usualy through word of mouth on domestic so this 'mrs jones' has decent peace of mind of getting a good standard of work. If they are in doubt you could put past customers in touch with her giving theyr opinion on your standard of work. The cowboys always get found out in the end. Quilified or not.

Yeh but youve got to get the job and this might just give you the advantage over another plasterer and it definetly will on site.

 

[Nisus]

Every time someone mentions private work, this Mrs Jones' name is mentioned. She must have a very big house, because just about every tradesman on every forum has worked for her.

nice one

Well I ain't done any site work for a few years, I mainly do insurance & private work now.
The thing is cscs health & safety is more site related than domestic.
How many times have you wore a hard hat in someones house when skimming Walls ;D
I can't see mrs jones ;D saying sorry your not allowed in my lounge today where is your cscs card & you're hard hat boots & hi vis jacket
And if someone asks me for it on domestic jobs I'll tell em they are only required for big sites for health & safety purposes not for domestic work, someones winding you up love;D

And they might say im not stupid im aware they are used on site for health and safety purposes but they also have your qualifications on the back i seen it on the tv advert and the billboards and going off your answer im assuming your unqualified so in that case you are the weekest link goodbye

and then she gets a (german word) job done by someone with so called qualifications and never believes in the system again..

qualifications dont mean (french word) all.

Is that something you will tell your kids?



Lets have it right would you deal with someone with qualifications or someone without? doesnt matter what line of work we are talkin and be honest.

like I said i'm not a site monkey working for s h i t rates so no need for cscssccscss card!!!!
The day I need 1 I will get 1, but not getting 1 just for the sake of it ???
I get plenty of work without one ;D
and as for qualifications I did an hours DVD skimmin course last week so there ner ner na ner ner ;D

 

[Render Systems]

last skimming job i did was up in fort william i got £8.00 per m2... very good money but up on the west coast they only dot and dab and fill joints... even the young architect came and had a look as he had never seen skimming... anyway that was the reason i got good money as i had to travel 250 miles to do it.. mind you i have never ever worked for less than £5.00 per m2 for skimming.... i would rather lie in bed with the girlfriend skint but happy...
As the prices are b*ll***s now i just do monocouche, eifs and acrilic systems and branching out into lime renders on old buildings only because the money is a lot better... ohh and polished plaster... its a doddle. :

 

[simplybesty]

i agree but not read all the post so sorry if i am repeating but years ago like us proper plasterers remember, I mean plasterers who can carry out all area's to a high standard, Float and set, screeds, skim, render . It jack me off when you get lads who think they deserve the same money as above but cant lay floors or cant float, all they can do is skim. That sort of person is not a plasterer and there the ones who push the prices down. I cant wait until float and set becomes the norm again because us real spreads will control the trade again and all these skimmers will be out on there arses.

 

[Freerider]

Quilifications? It's not brain surgery if someone makes an arse of a job they get told to do one without pay. 90% is usualy through word of mouth on domestic so this 'mrs jones' has decent peace of mind of getting a good standard of work. If they are in doubt you could put past customers in touch with her giving theyr opinion on your standard of work. The cowboys always get found out in the end. Quilified or not.

Yeh but youve got to get the job and this might just give you the advantage over another plasterer and it definetly will on site.

mate I do agree in the sense to people who dont know anything about the trade, a qualification can swing a job, being why I did a short course to give myself a ACA and CITB in plastering, (after learning on the job for years), cos to someone who looks and reads you have some sort of qualifications it can help, however it doesnt mean Im any good.. I could be s**t!

so I also agree with matey boy ^ cowboys get found in the end, qualified or not, I never have the intention of working on site because they treat you as a number and you work your arse off to make the people above you "millions" I can have it easy on domestic and actually enjoy my job and take time with what Im doing, earn more money and DONT need this cscs bullshit, however if I do ever NEED it, of course Ill get it, however much I disagree with it!

 

[Freerider]

i agree but not read all the post so sorry if i am repeating but years ago like us proper plasterers remember, I mean plasterers who can carry out all area's to a high standard, Float and set, screeds, skim, render . It jack me off when you get lads who think they deserve the same money as above but cant lay floors or cant float, all they can do is skim. That sort of person is not a plasterer and there the ones who push the prices down. I cant wait until float and set becomes the norm again because us real spreads will control the trade again and all these skimmers will be out on there arses.

that old chestnut..

mate Im a real spread before you say (french word) all, however why cant someone who can "just skim" demand the same rates IF its just skimming? if his skimming is as good as you so called "real spreads" then why the (french word) cant he demand the same money? its all about the finished result/job at the end of the day .. is it not?

I can skim, float and set, screed (not to quick at screeding though) but rendering I havent done enough to tackle more than small patches.. does this mean Im not a spread? nowdays no one ever asks for walls to be floated, so Its been a year or so before Ive done more than float a bricked up doorway or similar, much more satisfying floating a wall but its dated, aint our fault if 99% of customers just want their ceilings skimmed, of course your going to get more practice at that than anything else.

does my head in when people get on their high horses and put other people down, when its all about the finished job at the end of the day!

 

[simplybesty]

because when i get a call from a so called plasterer who wants work I then have to get someone else to do floors if all they can do is skim which means i have to spend more time and then get someone to do the render on external. The reason why skimmers will never get the money that we should be on becasue there 2 a penny. Thats why i have a machine and stay on the outsides and render and set work , its because the money iss there .

 

[Freerider]

because when i get a call from a so called plasterer who wants work I then have to get someone else to do floors if all they can do is skim which means i have to spend more time and then get someone to do the render on external. The reason why skimmers will never get the money that we should be on becasue there 2 a penny. Thats why i have a machine and stay on the outsides and render and set work , its because the money iss there .

and what if someone called you up and asked you to do some work that you have never done before that only spreads EVEN MORE experienced than yourself can do..

and you cant do it so they have to get a more specialised person in, does that mean YOUR not a spread after all?

mate its all b*ll***s, if you work for yourself and do a good job to high standard you are entitled to the going rate, END OF.

 

[Nisus]

i agree but not read all the post so sorry if i am repeating but years ago like us proper plasterers remember, I mean plasterers who can carry out all area's to a high standard, Float and set, screeds, skim, render . It jack me off when you get lads who think they deserve the same money as above but cant lay floors or cant float, all they can do is skim. That sort of person is not a plasterer and there the ones who push the prices down. I cant wait until float and set becomes the norm again because us real spreads will control the trade again and all these skimmers will be out on there arses.

I agree Paul it's all aspects of plastering that makes you a superspread ;D not just skimming.
Float & set over d&d anyday.

 

[Render Systems]

this is what i can do in a nutshell to a very high standard

skimming, float and set with all background plasters, hardwall, browning, bonding etc. render (traditional) monocouche, eifs (external insulation finishing systems) thin coat acrilics, pargetting, ashlar jointing, marbelite, (Swimming pools) pebble dashing, stucco on lath, i can run cornice insitu, i can also copy existing mouldings insitu and make new on a bench... i can run moulded arches from scratch, i am very good at vaulted ceilings as well as being a sh*t hot screeder both sand and cement as well as granolithic... sorry if i have forgotten anything... oh yes i have done lime renders also... am i good enough????? hope so after 35 years at it...

 

[flynnyman]

well this started off with how to regulate plastering rates and wether you like it or not i think it will boil down to qualified and unqualified plasterers, its all been said before it doesnt prove your a better plasterer but like any industry ie teachers, nurses, social workers and so on the more qualified the more chance you have of securing the job and getting the best pay and wether you like it or not it will happen and the only people who cant see it wortking are usually unqualified and this is my opinion and shooting me down for it wont make it go away your gonna have problems wether you like it or not.

 

[flynnyman]

because when i get a call from a so called plasterer who wants work I then have to get someone else to do floors if all they can do is skim which means i have to spend more time and then get someone to do the render on external. The reason why skimmers will never get the money that we should be on becasue there 2 a penny. Thats why i have a machine and stay on the outsides and render and set work , its because the money iss there .

and what if someone called you up and asked you to do some work that you have never done before that only spreads EVEN MORE experienced than yourself can do..

and you cant do it so they have to get a more specialised person in, does that mean YOUR not a spread after all?

mate its all b*ll***s, if you work for yourself and do a good job to high standard you are entitled to the going rate, END OF.

you might think your entitled to the same but if your not qualified you might not qualify

 

[Render Systems]

well i will be retired soon 7 more years and im out... but i will say this... i have never ever been asked to show my qualifications... ever... i served my time with an old boy and he did not send me to college at all... all i have is experience and the certificates i have from dryvit and parex

 

[Freerider]

this is what i can do in a nutshell to a very high standard

skimming, float and set with all background plasters, hardwall, browning, bonding etc. render (traditional) monocouche, eifs (external insulation finishing systems) thin coat acrilics, pargetting, ashlar jointing, marbelite, (Swimming pools) pebble dashing, stucco on lath, i can run cornice insitu, i can also copy existing mouldings insitu and make new on a bench... i can run moulded arches from scratch, i am very good at vaulted ceilings as well as being a sh*t hot screeder both sand and cement as well as granolithic... sorry if i have forgotten anything... oh yes i have done lime renders also... am i good enough????? hope so after 35 years at it...

now you can do 10fold what some of the "so called spreads" on here can do, but it doesnt make them any less of one than you, it all takes time to learn, you have been doing it 35 years, I have been doing it 7, we all have to start somewhere!

btw thats not a dig at you, I just re read it and it sounded like it I was using your skills to help what Im trying to say!

and as far as being qualified, as I said, if the time ever comes in the domestic world, then I will get a cscs card, but until then, there is no need!

 

[flynnyman]

well i will be retired soon 7 more years and im out... but i will say this... i have never ever been asked to show my qualifications... ever... i served my time with an old boy and he did not send me to college at all... all i have is experience and the certificates i have from dryvit and parex

in over 20 years ive never been asked appart from a few teaching jobs but thats all gonna change

 

[flynnyman]

well i will be retired soon 7 more years and im out... but i will say this... i have never ever been asked to show my qualifications... ever... i served my time with an old boy and he did not send me to college at all... all i have is experience and the certificates i have from dryvit and parex

How do you plan on getting on site in the next seven years?

 

[dieselpower]

last skimming job i did was up in fort william i got £8.00 per m2... very good money but up on the west coast they only dot and dab and fill joints... even the young architect came and had a look as he had never seen skimming... anyway that was the reason i got good money as i had to travel 250 miles to do it.. mind you i have never ever worked for less than £5.00 per m2 for skimming.... i would rather lie in bed with the girlfriend skint but happy...
As the prices are b*ll***s now i just do monocouche, eifs and acrilic systems and branching out into lime renders on old buildings only because the money is a lot better... ohh and polished plaster... its a doddle. :

You actually must be telling the truth, i'm a bit further south than ft.william and some guys actually got £10 per m not so long ago(which shocks me when guys on here do it for less than £4 m2. As for tapin and filling, yes it's popular but skimmin boards is comin back with a vengeance, only trouble is anyone can do it(to a reasonable standard) even painters an decorators!

And another thing, up here it's slater/plasterer's but there's only a couple on here i remember talkin about roofing jobs?? is it different down south??

 

[Render Systems]

last skimming job i did was up in fort william i got £8.00 per m2... very good money but up on the west coast they only dot and dab and fill joints... even the young architect came and had a look as he had never seen skimming... anyway that was the reason i got good money as i had to travel 250 miles to do it.. mind you i have never ever worked for less than £5.00 per m2 for skimming.... i would rather lie in bed with the girlfriend skint but happy...
As the prices are b*ll***s now i just do monocouche, eifs and acrilic systems and branching out into lime renders on old buildings only because the money is a lot better... ohh and polished plaster... its a doddle. :

You actually must be telling the truth, i'm a bit further south than ft.william and some guys actually got £10 per m not so long ago(which shocks me when guys on here do it for less than £4 m2. As for tapin and filling, yes it's popular but skimmin boards is comin back with a vengeance, only trouble is anyone can do it(to a reasonable standard) even painters an decorators!

And another thing, up here it's slater/plasterer's but there's only a couple on here i remember talkin about roofing jobs?? is it different down south??

well i have got cscs card thats good for next 5 years

 

[Nisus]

Leave Mr Render Systems alone he is a Legend!!