Rendering trainee

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Ok lads, thanks for your support but lets close this thread as we have all made our point.

Topstrop, like you I was a plasterer and did the lot. Bench fibrous plastering, running solid mould in situ, solid plastering and screeding. I was taught well and enjoyed plastering. I agree we should have the old apprenticeships back like we had and have young plasterers taught all aspects of the trade but from what I can gather today a plasterer is self employed has a van and works with other self employed spreads. Plastering Co's don't exist any more. Screeding is now done by screeders, plastering is done by plasterers and fibrous work around this neck of the woods is done by Wilson and Dowling Ltd.

For all the love I had for the plastering trade I had that knocked out of me by disrespectful builders and my fellow plasterers. So in 1989 I walked out of the plastering trade and went into rendering only and mostly domestics as I have a grievance against building companies after the way they treated me as a plastering contractor. But that was my choice.

So now I am a rendering specialist and thats my career. You name it and I do it (except wallcrete that is warriors domain). If i can't do it I will find out how to.

But as for the ad well I will have a word with Lee down at Hardcores Building Supplies. He knows most of the spreads in Sheffield and knows me and what I am looking for.

Thanks again for all the good words said.
 
topstrop1 said:
I need to get the point across. This and all trades need properly trained apprentices with a wide range of skills. We need to mould them from school. Its rubbish that teenagers are not strong enough to do the work.Its fine to specialize and concentrate on one or more elements of the trade after you have a thorough grounding in the craft. We slate the foreigners that come here from Poland and elsewhere but honesty they are being trained more thoroughly and have a work ethic that gives a full days work for a full days pay.As for the Developers well we all know their attitude. I have no axe to grind with Rigsbys rendering its the way he wrote off teenagers as did another respondent. Most wannabees are prepared to work hard we all have had the lazy or the ones who just cant cut it. I understand that Rigsby and others specialize, get together and take on an apprentice between you and pass him on to another to learn the trade before we lose our craft/art.
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Its like trying to find a diamond in the ruff, and sometimes the monotony of time wasters and unmotivated youngins is very draining. its not that im not prepared to put in the graft and treat the apprentice as an investment for the future and look after him/her but the dread of trialing several youngins can very off putting
 
Look at your earlier post on this thread posted by yourself Spot the error. So we all miss a key butt some miss the point as well
 
Artisan that remark was for Keithuk who trawls through the text letter by letter but does not read his own words earlier
 
LOL just stating a fact, In order to become a teacher you have to be able to teach competently every task in the level 1, 2,3 diplomas, have a level 3 qualification with years of practical experience
Be prepared to go through university for two years, plus a level 4 assessor award. Then you might be lucky enough to secure a teaching position, or you could get a white van for £600 but a trowel skim a wall , and call yourself a plasterer.
 
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LOL just stating a fact, In order to become a teacher you have to be able to teach competently every task in the level 1, 2,3 diplomas, have a level 3 qualification with years of practical experience
Be prepared to go through university for two years, plus a level 4 assessor award. Then you might be lucky enough to secure a teaching position, or you could get a white van for £600 but a trowel skim a wall , and call yourself a plasterer.
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:-0...............you bitch
 
topstrop1 said:
Ok critics
My right to reply. Lets start with my training. 5 years apprenticeship With Alan Milne Plastering, followed by 4 years as a trainee site agent with Bovis then 3 years as supervisor with Telling plasterers. Went into business in 1970 as a plastering company eventually owning there plastering companies.sat on the national wages council and like to feel I helped bring building wages and respect for tradesmen forward from the dark ages. Member of the FDPC for many years Sold out to Haymills builders in 1990. Invited to be an examiner by CITB also asked to teach at a college when they failed to find a lecturer. Since that date have owned a Labour agency and now own a plastering,film and craft supply company Qualifications: First Class City & Guilds intermediate and advanced in plastering. Won every award that was available at the time plus put together world skills with The Plasterers Federation and Joe Sawyer at East Ham school of building.Trained to ONC building with Bovis. Trained to level 4 For all subjects in general building. plastering, dry lining and ceiling fixing.CITB examiner. Judge me how you like I only have 55 years in the trad but for me the only way forward is the youth of this country trained in a proper fashion as in this case plasterers apprentices that learn every aspect of their craft
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i know you want everyone to suck your balls but why are you trying to make an irrelevent point that no1 cares about.

in a certain conversation yes what your saying is right. there should be apprenticeships etc, everyone knows that. yes the trade is overloaded with mongs that can only skim etc. but you of all people should know that the trade has dramatically changed and there are very few people that can do all aspects that even get a chance to do it. i worked for domestic builders for 5-6 years when i left my old boss. it was almost all skimming and reskims, a bit of float and set and rendering outside, i think i wet dashed twice, tyroleaned about 3. so when i had labourers, how could i teach them stuff that we werent asked to do?

when it comes to doing only rendering, the same question applies. if a renderer isnt skimming, how is he to teach it? the plebs that actually bother with the bull **** courses now days are just having their money stolen and being given false hope a lot of the time, and end up as you say, getting a white van and skimming. most wont do an apprenticeship because of the wage and the time it takes. a lot thats because of the person learning and wanting to achieve money straight away. so im lost by your what your point really is, or the purpose for writing it in here. if your that passionate, open a thread and make your point and let people who are interested comment. dont be an obnoxious dickhead and comment on somebody elses post offering someone work.

also, having nearly jizzed at your heavenly portfolio that screams bellend at every level, it does come across that your plastering experience is actually a 5 yr apprenticeship. you then jacked to become a site agent, the devil of all trades, if being a cock can be called a trade, then it sounds as if you ran/managed things afterwards, then taught. so if i am correct, and please tell me if im wrong, it sounds like your hands on experience is actually 5 years. of which youd have been labouring for a lot of that. you honestly sound like a jumped up, glorified, plasterer that couldnt hack it turned site agent turned teacher.

so to clarify, yes most people agree that apprenticeships and learning all aspects should be commonplace. will it ever happen, probably not. is the trade completely different from you apprenticeship 55 years ago, yes. is this the right place to comment on it, no. does anyone care what your saying, no. do you come across as a complete and utter bellend, that is actually a moaning 70yr old trying to feel important, yes.
 
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topstrop1 said:
Ok critics
My right to reply. Lets start with my training. 5 years apprenticeship With Alan Milne Plastering, followed by 4 years as a trainee site agent with Bovis then 3 years as supervisor with Telling plasterers. Went into business in 1970 as a plastering company eventually owning there plastering companies.sat on the national wages council and like to feel I helped bring building wages and respect for tradesmen forward from the dark ages. Member of the FDPC for many years Sold out to Haymills builders in 1990. Invited to be an examiner by CITB also asked to teach at a college when they failed to find a lecturer. Since that date have owned a Labour agency and now own a plastering,film and craft supply company Qualifications: First Class City & Guilds intermediate and advanced in plastering. Won every award that was available at the time plus put together world skills with The Plasterers Federation and Joe Sawyer at East Ham school of building.Trained to ONC building with Bovis. Trained to level 4 For all subjects in general building. plastering, dry lining and ceiling fixing.CITB examiner. Judge me how you like I only have 55 years in the trad but for me the only way forward is the youth of this country trained in a proper fashion as in this case plasterers apprentices that learn every aspect of their craft
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I worked for alan milne and johnsthan james whats your name stroppy
 
Hi Gibbo
When were you at Alan Milne and JJs message me
As for the thread. I was angry with the way Rigsby put down the kids and his reply. I will talk to him privately. I agree with what Rigsby says in his last post lets close this thread it is going nowhere
 
nickelarse said:
i know you want everyone to suck your balls but why are you trying to make an irrelevent point that no1 cares about.

in a certain conversation yes what your saying is right. there should be apprenticeships etc, everyone knows that. yes the trade is overloaded with mongs that can only skim etc. but you of all people should know that the trade has dramatically changed and there are very few people that can do all aspects that even get a chance to do it. i worked for domestic builders for 5-6 years when i left my old boss. it was almost all skimming and reskims, a bit of float and set and rendering outside, i think i wet dashed twice, tyroleaned about 3. so when i had labourers, how could i teach them stuff that we werent asked to do?

when it comes to doing only rendering, the same question applies. if a renderer isnt skimming, how is he to teach it? the plebs that actually bother with the bull **** courses now days are just having their money stolen and being given false hope a lot of the time, and end up as you say, getting a white van and skimming. most wont do an apprenticeship because of the wage and the time it takes. a lot thats because of the person learning and wanting to achieve money straight away. so im lost by your what your point really is, or the purpose for writing it in here. if your that passionate, open a thread and make your point and let people who are interested comment. dont be an obnoxious dickhead and comment on somebody elses post offering someone work.

also, having nearly jizzed at your heavenly portfolio that screams bellend at every level, it does come across that your plastering experience is actually a 5 yr apprenticeship. you then jacked to become a site agent, the devil of all trades, if being a cock can be called a trade, then it sounds as if you ran/managed things afterwards, then taught. so if i am correct, and please tell me if im wrong, it sounds like your hands on experience is actually 5 years. of which youd have been labouring for a lot of that. you honestly sound like a jumped up, glorified, plasterer that couldnt hack it turned site agent turned teacher.

so to clarify, yes most people agree that apprenticeships and learning all aspects should be commonplace. will it ever happen, probably not. is the trade completely different from you apprenticeship 55 years ago, yes. is this the right place to comment on it, no. does anyone care what your saying, no. do you come across as a complete and utter bellend, that is actually a moaning 70yr old trying to feel important, yes.
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Well said ,wish i could have put it so well :RpS_thumbup:
 
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