scratch float and skim over cob/stone.

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got a job to do a few ceilings and wall in very old house. dont want to line but rather use a lime sand cement. my question is a am am not a spread. should my plasterer be telling me to lime render it. i dont want to have to wait weeks on end.(spread wants to lime render i didnt price for that) i was hoping to use a lime sand cement mix with optimix additive as the walls are being injected. should this be ok? the lime should give it some flex and allow it to breathe I was thinking. Am i right. I was intending on fixing eml to the walls first to strengthen. should we be using galv or stainless fixings?
cheers for the advice in advance. A
(ps. may be looking for a jobbing spread for mostly period restoration. internal-externals- new builds etc. somerset. will post in correct area.)
 
Sounds like to me someone has injected walls and left the plastering and done a runner wonder why , there are far to many potential problems for me to comment but if the left a spec behind just stick to it.
 
no hasent been injected yet, as whole wall has to come off we were going to plaster they were going to inject. I'm not happy with their finish so would rather use another spread. this is the additive they spec.
 
as mentioned there are a few issues here I just want to check the guys i am useing know what they are doing!. the property is very old and evidence of damp in lower sections of what looks like cob and stone walls. the client is happy to stud off and hide but i dont like doing that as may get comeback. can you advise what i should be doing in this situation? is there an effective dampproofing lime render solution as the guys i normally use are suggesting just sand cement skim as previously mentioned.
i struggle to understand how a dampproofed wall can remain breathable, but as i said i am no spread.
part of the house is listed are there are further works required there later.
would really apreciate your advice. but will try some other damp injectiion co's anyhow.
 
found this but does'nt really give a straight answer.

Whilst the insertion of a remedial damp-proof course will control the rising dampness it is unlikely to stop it; nevertheless it will do no harm in that it will at least reduce the flow of moisture into the material (NB. Certain considerations however are necessary for injection damp-proofing cob construction {Trotman , P.M. "Dampness in Cob Walls" BRE, 1995}).

The main problem is where old lime plasters still remain. This may be badly stained, heavily salt contaminated and deteriorated. In this state it clearly shows that there has certainly been a problem, and replacing it with a similar material isn't likely to do much better in the longer term! So to remove these material and apply a new lime plaster is highly likely to lead to similar problems - lime plasters are very permeable (although apparently no more vapour permeable than sand/cement mixes of the order of 1 : 6) and as such are highly likely to let through the dampness/colouration/salts already in the substrate. As such, spoiling may occur again in a relatively short time and lime plaster is a very expensive sacrificial coating! Also note that hygroscopic salt contamination alone can pass into new permeable material from the substrate without any 'free' water being present; this can occur when such salts become 'deliquescent' (ie, they become liquid and therefore mobile) under conditions of high humidities.

There is no problem with the above provided that the owner is prepared to accept that this may occur, but as stated above, this will make lime plastering a very expensive 'sacrificial' material, ie, as it spoils it will have to be periodically replaced if the owner requires a clean decorative surface. There is always an argument that lime plastering should be used but if it allowed the walls to 'breath'(?) then there shouldn't have been a problem in the first place!

There may also be a problem with the use of the stronger sand/cement mixes as described above; to meet their required design functions mixes of the type necessary may be far too strong for the background. It may be possible to use expanded metal lath to aid bonding but perhaps the best practice, should it be acceptable, would be to use a dry lining technique to provide a non-spoiling decorative surface. However, it may be possible to use one of the specialist 'renovating' plasters which are usually less 'strong' than the traditional dense sand/cement mixes (see below).

The answer to damp-roofing and replastering such properties is clearly with the owner - what are they expecting and what are they willing to accept. If they expect clean non-spoiling decorative surface then some kind of action with reference to replastering/finishing will need to be taken, but if they are quite happy with some degree of staining/spoiling then consideration can be given to leaving the old material but being aware what has actually caused it to deteriorate in the first place. BUT REMEMBER - make sure no wood or other biodegradable material is left in contact with any dampness - it will be at a high risk to rot developing!!
 
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