what a load of s.h.i.t it didnt happen when we went from a stick for mixing with to a bike cogg to a drill its just the next progression the only differance is theres not enough real plasterers out there any more and by that statement i mean guys who can do all asspects of plastering not just skimming this is where these machines come in to there own and thats why we need them lack of man power.
Skim machine hire?
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s**t?the real skill is putting it on an finishing!comparing progress fom a whisk to a drill is stupid!! Once worked on terrace no power had drill an whisk.other plasterers left with drills "aint ******* mixing by hand!"follow?spray plastering will **** all up on site eventually.any one able to spray,an coursers to trowel up follow?thisvis from a plasterer who covers all aspects as you say right back to stone age days of sand n cement an browning in baths.machine spray will be end of trade on site.SITE
spunky
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Nick if the output is only a third extra when you include the costs of materials, buying the machine, maintenance and having to move it around site it seems like it's a bit backwards?Currier what are you basing an average day for a 2-1 gang hand applying on a good job with good runs?
spunky
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Doubt it jenks he's sold himself to the devil saying how quick machine applied skimming is and now he's got to commit.....nothing to do with plasterers on any level it's plasterers with a machine that can spray skim catch 22 the gear costs more and by the sounds of it the only way you can make you're money is by trying to spray as much as poss to cover costs if not why wouldn't they just get a pallet of multi in and get a couple of lads who can skim which is what 70 percent of spreads can do anyway
Curry
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Whats everyone paying for multi delivered to site not including vat?
All in all between 3 we are putting on what we would if there was 4. It's a simple as that.
So we are getting a extra days work each day out of the machine. That is more then covering costs and once the machine is paid back its profit.
With the right team you could do the same with 2 plasterers and a lab. My team is not 100% fit and health but its family so we are 3 plasterers using it.
All in all between 3 we are putting on what we would if there was 4. It's a simple as that.
So we are getting a extra days work each day out of the machine. That is more then covering costs and once the machine is paid back its profit.
With the right team you could do the same with 2 plasterers and a lab. My team is not 100% fit and health but its family so we are 3 plasterers using it.
keithuk
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Bring back the tin bath and a rake ! What is so wrong with having a tool (thats all a machine is ) to make your life easy ? All i hear is ,my back, my elbow ,... if it takes out the physical side of it ,is that a bad thing ? i don,t use my machine all the time ,but it,s there if i need it
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i see your point but i guess im biased if i use a machine. but i would say that meters aside, if i could afford to buy something to make my life easier then i would. but a lot of people arnt in that position and meters are relevent for paying the outlay back. but i cant float and set any more with a machine than without. but i would still use it because i think it makes life a bit easier. the gear being more pricey is a sticking point for me to an extent. i dont no how much more per/m etc it is but if a client will pay for it then so be it. if its an all in cost the spread has to stomach then it does then depend on how much you can get on. but most machine guys will be doing a s+c job on a domestic and use cpi. its a fair bit more pricey than loose sand. and they still get the jobs and still make decent money. because you save on labour, and curry reckons hes saving on labour. what his margins are i dont know. do a little job with him on the £3 he offered and see how much you can do.
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How much are you putting on currier on average?......half size firms this way are paying 3 quid ish
keithuk
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When i first started plasterer ,the guys i worked with were quick, very quick and everyone new it ,but at 46 f**ked ,now sit in a pub saying just how good they were .This game f**kes you up and if there is a tool to take out the wear on you and prolongs your working life ,i think it a good thing
Curry
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We average 200 a day. Some times more some times less. You do get more meterage out a bag so its never really worked out any more for mats.
£3 is not the best rate in the world but its not bad in these times. Its what we are paying ourselves at the moment. If we do by hand we always have and always will average 50m2. Thats a average between good runs and bad runs. If other can do more then good on them :RpS_thumbup:
So at that rate by hand it is £150 however with the ritmo its £200. I know which one i would rather have.
I think we maybe setup differently to others though. We pay ourselves that rate but charge more so the company has funds to allow tool purchases, petrol, mats etc. Thats why we are a contractor and dont just soley sub contract. Its hard work to go out and find work etc much easyer to just let other do it and subby off them with no risk. But thats why people get a low rate.
£3 is not the best rate in the world but its not bad in these times. Its what we are paying ourselves at the moment. If we do by hand we always have and always will average 50m2. Thats a average between good runs and bad runs. If other can do more then good on them :RpS_thumbup:
So at that rate by hand it is £150 however with the ritmo its £200. I know which one i would rather have.
I think we maybe setup differently to others though. We pay ourselves that rate but charge more so the company has funds to allow tool purchases, petrol, mats etc. Thats why we are a contractor and dont just soley sub contract. Its hard work to go out and find work etc much easyer to just let other do it and subby off them with no risk. But thats why people get a low rate.
fair play to you.
Hey mate. Try Andy at PFT Central in Cheltanham. rented a MTec M300 to do some K-REND. He had m100's and Ritmo's there! i think he's about £200-£250 p/w, but dont quote me on that!
Thinking of getting a machine myself to make life easier & hopefully get more contracts too!
Any advice?
Thinking of getting a machine myself to make life easier & hopefully get more contracts too!
Any advice?
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