The sad, but true future of modern rendering

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Danny said:
Baffles me how some people have the front to want to get paid for a s**t job... I use to lose nights sleep if I was not happy with something...
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Snap to that and this is why we will always get under cut because for every decent tradesman there is a chancer/bodger/drifter/call them what ever who doesn't take priced in there work and all most clients will see is a price difference.
They don't know the quality they can receive until they actually get it.
Providing a service is so different to providing just a product but people don't see that.
For some reason people compare one tradesman service to another's like they would compare buying the same TV from currys or comet ( other retailers widely available) but this couldn't be father from the truth.
Yes you will most likely be using the same materials on a re skim but that is where the similarity ends.
The service you provide to the client on a whole is what makes us different from one another.
 
owls said:
That's why you charge accordingly, due to the above list of factors that can go wrong.If it was a doddle to get right every chump would be doing it.
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That's a fair comment owls, but the extra costs almost get eaten up by extra cost of material, a tonne bag of sand is £40/50 whereas a tonne of mono is approx £300 , plus mesh at £40 and the plastic beads are more than metal . I think mono is too cheap , same as what happened to polish plaster, I remember when that was £100 a sqm.
 
The sad, but true future of modern rendering


You thought that was bad here's one I saw the other day...is this the scratch coat?!...lol!!
 
tonysouthwoodham said:
That's a fair comment owls, but the extra costs almost get eaten up by extra cost of material, a tonne bag of sand is £40/50 whereas a tonne of mono is approx £300 , plus mesh at £40 and the plastic beads are more than metal . I think mono is too cheap , same as what happened to polish plaster, I remember when that was £100 a sqm.
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It's offset a bit by labour as you don't need a scratch coat on 7n blockwork as you Would with sand cement.
 
mac_plastering said:
It is becoming fairly common these days for me to receive calls regarding bad rendering, performed by someone who doesn't know, or hasn't took the time to learn how to use these modern renders we now see.

With 100s of bags of k-rend, parex and weber all available readily within a 2/3 mile radius of where I'm sat, to any Tom dick or Harry, is there any wonder.

I'm all for products being readily available, but these companies and merchants will sell to anyone.

I had some details passed onto me from a rep regarding a job I may be interested in, so after recieving details of this customer I gave him a call, we spoke about the job he wanted doing which was to hack off 10mm of weber pral m that was a month old and re-render.

This is becoming more and more common, I'm not claiming to be the worlds best, not even the best in my region, I still make mistakes, have the odd bump, miss and halo in my work, nothing major, nothing the customer can see, but how I see some jobs that just make me shudder, what I do know is how to use the products I'm using, something that a lot of work I see suggests others don't.

I've only spoken to 1 rep who mentioned they cared about who they sold their products too, "we don't want to sell it just to anyone" which was nice to hear.

Anyway back to this job, I visited the guy to view the work, fook me, the worst, the fooking worst I've seen, top of a house side and back possibly about 30/40m2, the only thing that was correct about the job was he'd managed to apply it to the correct address and area, the rest, well, fooking disgusting is an understatement.

I'll put picture up after I finish writing due to images being on my phone.

Beading, what beading, none existent, mesh, no mesh, any primer or base coat, I'd hazard a good guess at probably fooking not.

The chap who owned the property, recently purchased, must have sunk 50k into an extension, new kitchen etc etc, decided to "sort the materials out" only he didn't have the knowledge to by 'all the materials'

The rendering was paid for due to the guy being away and not being able to check the work properly, only when he returned he saw it didn't look right, so got a weber rep out, the rep advised him it had been scratched too early and questioned the beading, or rather lack of them.

The 'renderer' had his cash and had gone.

I can understand manufacturers wanting their products out there, but will there ever be any control over who they sell too, or is it just sell as much as we can.

Are we going down the same route as plastering, where some jack of all, in a Ford Fiesta is outside a merchants filling up with said renders, the difference being a wall can be re-skimmed for very little cost, a bad panel of render can cost thousands, when you factor in extra materials, hacking off, labour and scaffold if needed.

Are we going to see any regulation in who these products are sold too?

The customer and the renderer who did said job deserve all they get, apart from the renderer being paid but I'm sure his reputation will be tarnished by such a beaut of a job which he left.

I see so many poor jobs now, hear of daft prices being charged, I think in 10 years the rendering industry will be on par with plastering, dogshit.

Get as much as you can while it's good, because it's not going to stay this way for long
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One thing for me , if there price is that tight to buy beads which im guessing ....... They thought they can save abit on it ?!? Seems daft to me , but they may be daft ..... :-)
 
We have this all the time pricing 10 k plus jobs and loosing out to someone who priced it a third cheaper but what the client doesn't realise is it's not just black and white with price it's down to quality, detail and finish.
We who are supplying high end finished facades should stick to the princable of you pay for what you get and those clients who go cheap let them walk in every day looking at what the scrimped on!
And don't call me when it all goes wrong!!
 
Seen a job yesterday for pricing. A plasterer had previously quoted and got the job but since been removed after he botched half a chimney stack and a wall on a quadrant bay.
I mean it was terrible. Terrible. Render inder soffits didnt reach the top, full of straight up and down scrape float lines, misses all over, 3 different shades i mean god knows how he managed that.

I think he was used to a site rate of plastering a pittence and the idea of how u need to price render had gone over his head. He must have thought skim it on and than rub it up so o will just double the skim rate.

Needles to say he was cheap and very very bad. The fact he had the nerve to do a practise run on one of the most expensive estates in cheshire just boggles.

How do they think they can get away with it ?
 
plasterjfe said:
Seen a job yesterday for pricing. A plasterer had previously quoted and got the job but since been removed after he botched half a chimney stack and a wall on a quadrant bay.
I mean it was terrible. Terrible. Render inder soffits didnt reach the top, full of straight up and down scrape float lines, misses all over, 3 different shades i mean god knows how he managed that.

I think he was used to a site rate of plastering a pittence and the idea of how u need to price render had gone over his head. He must have thought skim it on and than rub it up so o will just double the skim rate.

Needles to say he was cheap and very very bad. The fact he had the nerve to do a practise run on one of the most expensive estates in cheshire just boggles.

How do they think they can get away with it ?
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The few times that I have stepped in and corrected somebody else's hacked up work the general contractor or the owner seem to be always whining about how much money it's costing them like I'm contributing to their financial woes (screw that like they kind of expect you to help bail them out by cutting them a price break). They seem to be about the hardest people to get a check out of also. If they would have just done a little research into who they were hiring in the first place they wouldn't have their little problem. Unfortunately they get that lowball price and it stops a lot of them from looking any further until they get screwed. Now days I just laugh at them and tell them they should have hired me in the first place, then I just drive off down the road.
 
plasterjfe said:
Seen a job yesterday for pricing. A plasterer had previously quoted and got the job but since been removed after he botched half a chimney stack and a wall on a quadrant bay.
I mean it was terrible. Terrible. Render inder soffits didnt reach the top, full of straight up and down scrape float lines, misses all over, 3 different shades i mean god knows how he managed that.

I think he was used to a site rate of plastering a pittence and the idea of how u need to price render had gone over his head. He must have thought skim it on and than rub it up so o will just double the skim rate.

Needles to say he was cheap and very very bad. The fact he had the nerve to do a practise run on one of the most expensive estates in cheshire just boggles.

How do they think they can get away with it ?
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When times are good the cowboys love a slice of the pie. Easy for them to get the work as most of these customers aren't patient enough to wait for someone good so they take whoever is available.

Most of our work is correcting others cock ups, I'm not bothered though good money in it as most don't like to get bit twice.
 
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