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Rigsby
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That is fair enough. I would show you but you would need to b&b it and then there is no guarantee we will be spraying the next day. Breakdown, sickies or rain etc.
You need to know your manufacturers as well. One render will spray and set completely dofferent to another.
Tyneside is no threat to business. Just knowing what each other is saying. geordie and dee dar language.
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If anyone from my area asked to work with me for the day the second word would be OFF.
As John said why the hell would you give someone any tips/knowledge of the trade??
As John said why the hell would you give someone any tips/knowledge of the trade??
Malgordon1972
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Why not Bobby?someone gave there time to u to learn all ya superior traits if any one asks me who's keen and determined I'll share it u tit
Malgordon1972
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Where are u located mate?offers appreciated
Rigsby
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Sheffield South Yorkshire.
I had young and part skilled plasterers work for me in the 80's and 90's who I trained up quite well. Everyone bar one left to set up on their own.. Everyone under cut me to get established. But all bar one they all quit after 2 years as well they could not put up with the employing, administration and going out looking at jobs and having their time wasted.
It is the damage they do in those 2 years that puts you off teaching. I have always enjoyed turning someone around from getting nowhere to having a skill but getting stabbed in the back is off putting. The lads I have now have been with me for years but thats only because no one else would put up with them. They do my head in but better the devil you know than the devil you don't know.
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hahah are they on here?
user_removed
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That's the same worry I had, that's why I'm sticking with the clown I have currently got.
He can't drive and the best he will do is become a half decent labourer, he thinks he will be plastering and rendering in 3/4 years but if he doesn't step up to the mark and learn the basics he won't get far.
I put an advert out there for a labourer/trainee and had local established plasterers getting in touch with me begging for a job.
"I'll start off mixing, making tea and filling skips"
I recognised his name and googled his phone number, only to find his website offering plastering, rendering screening and coving with some universal pictures of a male model troweling some German stuff up, which is a picture iv seen on so many other websites.
I emailed him back, asking him why he had got in touch when he already ran a small outfit very close to me.
His response was that he was struggling to keep going plastering, had taken another job on but wanted to learn rendering because he didn't know about it and wanted to learn from me.
What would be the point, 6 months down the line he would have been pricing jobs up on his own and probably against me, more than likely undercutting me.
As said, better to travel away to learn for a few months then your not going to be standing on anyone's toes further down the line.
He can't drive and the best he will do is become a half decent labourer, he thinks he will be plastering and rendering in 3/4 years but if he doesn't step up to the mark and learn the basics he won't get far.
I put an advert out there for a labourer/trainee and had local established plasterers getting in touch with me begging for a job.
"I'll start off mixing, making tea and filling skips"
I recognised his name and googled his phone number, only to find his website offering plastering, rendering screening and coving with some universal pictures of a male model troweling some German stuff up, which is a picture iv seen on so many other websites.
I emailed him back, asking him why he had got in touch when he already ran a small outfit very close to me.
His response was that he was struggling to keep going plastering, had taken another job on but wanted to learn rendering because he didn't know about it and wanted to learn from me.
What would be the point, 6 months down the line he would have been pricing jobs up on his own and probably against me, more than likely undercutting me.
As said, better to travel away to learn for a few months then your not going to be standing on anyone's toes further down the line.
I did the mono course about 16 years ago, was pretty good for seeing how the gear works etc, wont learn you how to do a job tho, but if your a plasterer, I would say its well worth doing, think it was stoke I went to... but doing mono correctly is a different story, I rarely get much mono work these days ( not arsed..lol ) too many about working for nowt, they obviosly miss out rendaid/mesh etc... cant and dont want to compete with them, do about 3 jobs a year now...
Malgordon1972
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I've been plastering 10 years more of internal than external I can s/c render so I have used a trowel lol
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Ha ha numpty.i run a business pal
Rigsby
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Someone taught me ken Dore (rip). Did 4 years but had to move on because his foreman Lew Sutherland was asking for a good hiding!
Kept in touch and even employed him once. I was always grateful for him giving me an apprenticeship.
Since then I have trained up many a man, most of which was getting nowhere. One now is very wealthy and the others have a skill and earn a living. But things are different today. The days of being an employee have gone. Now everyone has a van, whisk and tools. Self employed so why not have a go and do it yourself than work for someone else? Only difference is financeing the job.
I do enjoy teaching other people but there is too much jealosy and back stabbing out there to breed local competition.
Kept in touch and even employed him once. I was always grateful for him giving me an apprenticeship.
Since then I have trained up many a man, most of which was getting nowhere. One now is very wealthy and the others have a skill and earn a living. But things are different today. The days of being an employee have gone. Now everyone has a van, whisk and tools. Self employed so why not have a go and do it yourself than work for someone else? Only difference is financeing the job.
I do enjoy teaching other people but there is too much jealosy and back stabbing out there to breed local competition.
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I have trained up a few also.3 apprentices in the past 4 years and other plasterers also.
As far as having someone on to help them get into the trade,that's not going to happen
Malgordon1972
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I have my own van,tools etc there's 10 to the penny skimmers around here I did the odd subby jobs when my own work goes quiet.councils get agency workers in now who are useless lol
plasterjfe
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That scenario is rife round our area john not sure what it is. Maybe it looks good and people want to have a go at this "fancy modern" render. It is just mortar at the end of the day.
I have just moved house and see plenty of krend going on private houses and I am yet to see a single job I would put my name too. Honestly its shocking.
I wonder if they get paid at the end or not. I certainly wouldn't pay. But it comes back to the fact that plastering is unregulated and a free trade or should we say free for all trade
user_removed
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That is what I think puts a lot of plasterers off, which is a good thing
The risk of doing a bad job which the whole street can see and it cannot be rectified.
Saying that some council properties at the top of my village look to have had the EWI M1 treatment, which looks shocking. Misses, and marks all over every house, 1 looks damp at the base rail which is halfway up the house looks like water is sitting on something and being pulled up the face of it.
I still get the odd miss and bump but feck me I couldn't walk away from what they have left
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