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Yes the whole idea was that it was no maintenance no paint etc.
- Weber then changed it to low maintenance when they realised the problems. I would not call deep cleaning the walls with specialist solution every year or two low maintenance. It would entail scaffolding and othe equipment. I have had a quote for £700. I cannot run to that after spending 12K on the system. As already stated simple cheap painting looks better doe very much longer. Weber aren’t interested. They have the money. The cleaning companies and Weber are laughing all the way to the bank. Customer is a big loser with a finish patently not fit for purpose I am attempting to show photos of the awful look that Weber thinks is satisfactory for their products
Weber Pral M Render Issues - Help please for best way forward
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Mouldyoldspudgun
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Jesus looking at your photos makes me feel guilty and I didn’t do it. I don’t know what else to say apart from take it up with Weber, get one of their idiots to come and have a look at it, if you paid by credit card yank the money back as it’s certainly not fit for purpose or as described when you went for it.
Vincey
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Tbf it’s awful and in my honest opinion a scandal, I hate the stuff and would die of embarrassment driving by if I had done the job
bprenderingservicesltd
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Where in north east are you,I may be able to help
Thank you for your reply I contacted weber who arent interested. They say the unsightly look doesn't alter the product and offered a tub of cleaning fluid. I said I was surprised they are happy to put their name to such a product A complete joke. It needs scaffolding and materials and constant maintenance £700 each time.I Watched you tube video of Weber guy cleaning a small area which took ages. I would spend weeks trying to clean my house
Thanks for your reply
Weber are apparently happy to put their name to the unsightly appearance of this product.
House next door was just painted at same time and looks pristine. All the surrounding houses are render and or paint and do not discolour and look infinitely better. i could have saved a fortune.. Needless to say our house is quite a talking point.My house is an old high house so it is not a simple matter > it needs scaffolding and it is a very large area. Not just a simple brush on job in my case
Weber sell the sealer I think but first large matter of discolouration to address and then sealant application. no mean feat on large high house. However after using the monocouche I do not hold out much hope for any of their other products
Mouldyoldspudgun
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I don’t really know much about Weber but just because they say it is nothing to do with them doesn’t mean it isn’t, have you tried trading standards or the consumer rights people? If your neighbours haven’t discoloured then it has to be something to do with their product, how long has it been done? I don’t want to raise your hopes but I would try every way I can to get it sorted including the papers after all it’s big money you are talking about and adverse publicity is bad for them, start researching find out your rights and I hope you beat the bastards
No defence of Weber ,
But the window cills are rubbish for a start they only look about 10 mil past the face of the render,so rain waters just going to run off onto the face of the render.
If it was sealed originally it wouldn't be in that kind of state, mono is an open matrix that will pick dirt up all day long and green spores particularly on north facing panels or damp areas.
There doesn't look to be any silicone around the cills or windows, again storing up problems when the upvc contracts.
You won't have a leg to stand on id image as regards reclaiming costs back, it is fit for purpose as sold it's just the applicator has cut corners on the application and not carried it out in best practice.
But the window cills are rubbish for a start they only look about 10 mil past the face of the render,so rain waters just going to run off onto the face of the render.
If it was sealed originally it wouldn't be in that kind of state, mono is an open matrix that will pick dirt up all day long and green spores particularly on north facing panels or damp areas.
There doesn't look to be any silicone around the cills or windows, again storing up problems when the upvc contracts.
You won't have a leg to stand on id image as regards reclaiming costs back, it is fit for purpose as sold it's just the applicator has cut corners on the application and not carried it out in best practice.
Mouldyoldspudgun
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So really with all the s**t you have to go through with these newish external coverings you might just as well choose flat sand and cement render and paint it or leave it, in my opinion if done properly it is infinitely superior. Give it twenty years and off it will be coming just like tyrolean
What s**t ? Spending a few hours painting a uv resistant sealer on, I don't agree with your opinion, your talking nonsense and paint exposed gables every 5 years with scaffolding costs etc or a sealed through coloured render that will last 30 years min if done right.
There not modern they were fixing Ewi and through coloured render 30 years ago,I've done mono jobs 20 years ago and drove past now and there still mint.ive nothing against sand and cement if that's what the customer wants, but it's nice to have a choice.
Mouldyoldspudgun
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That’s why I said newish, I did it in 1989 for the first time and although I personally don’t like these renders I wouldn’t call them s**t as you did. Here’s a question why are people having flat ceilings and walls inside? Because they are fed up with decorative finishes and would you want the same colour for thirty years or so? You probably make good money doing this so good on you but it is like tyrolean a coloured textured finish that is very rare nowadays remind you of anything
I was quoting you saying with all the s**t you have to go through...
I offer sand and cement as an option but people seldom want it, it's Ewi, bucket renders or mono. Ewi is an issue as heating bills keep going up, we are getting more thin coat inquires due to the big increase in timber frame houses etc,mono as people like the finish, low maintainence( no render is maintenance free).
The market gets what the market wants.
I offer sand and cement as an option but people seldom want it, it's Ewi, bucket renders or mono. Ewi is an issue as heating bills keep going up, we are getting more thin coat inquires due to the big increase in timber frame houses etc,mono as people like the finish, low maintainence( no render is maintenance free).
The market gets what the market wants.
Mouldyoldspudgun
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Mouldyoldspudgun
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I agree with you, they get what they want and you will have a s**t load of work in the future getting rid of it all like I did with Tyrolean. It’s all personal opinions I guess and to be honest I can probably count on one hand the amount of good workmanship using these materials, present company excepted of course
You got any before pics?
Vincey
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on new build I get why they use it but having said that every single new build estate around here is the same , stained to the point it’s laughable 1,2,3,4,5 year old sites look disgusting, green black red moldy dirt stains , one I went to last week not even had the tarmac on the street yet 500 houses when I pulled in I nearly crashed my van looking , pulled over and stood in amazement of what was looking at , yet across the road 1920s dash painted , lol the new build estate looked like the 1920s , for me I don’t offer it purely of what I’ve seen I’ve tested sealant to at home and that still stains tbf after 18 months so when you add up ,rendaid plus mono plus sealer plus very upset customer, is it worth it , no it’s crap
Plus sandtex paint even on a dwarf wall with no capping in a garden full of trees next to a motorway won’t need painting for at least 10 years , fact
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HI,
I bought this dreadful product from an builder supplier. It was not fit for purpose due to scratching and coming up white. I got the merchant to pay me damages and all my money back coz I could show it was a bad product. get back to me for some help free of charge if you want. Weber sent as ‘surveyor’ out who did a report worthy of an illiterate child. He had a NVQ in plastering and no other qualifications or any professional memberships… an utter joke of a man… My own RICS report swung it.
I bought this dreadful product from an builder supplier. It was not fit for purpose due to scratching and coming up white. I got the merchant to pay me damages and all my money back coz I could show it was a bad product. get back to me for some help free of charge if you want. Weber sent as ‘surveyor’ out who did a report worthy of an illiterate child. He had a NVQ in plastering and no other qualifications or any professional memberships… an utter joke of a man… My own RICS report swung it.
Spray
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Any finish would require maintenance! Get the building cleaned properly and coat with a silicon sealer twice and you will see a huge difference I can advise people to carry out this work
Spray
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keithuk
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It was a low maintenance if you read it (thats weber ) many T***s over the years have said no need to paint ,silly how so many are misinformed ,then tell the world what they think is right ,just saying
keithuk
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if you don,t wash your car for 5 years it will look s**t ,ffs its not a magic render !lol
Mouldyoldspudgun
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I absolutely get what you are saying but realistically how many times do you see people washing their house? The original selling point of this stuff was the same as plastic windows as in no painting, so if your meant to wash it every month or so what’s the point? Plus us old fucks remember all the hype with Tyrolean with pick your colour, no painting and look what happened to that all that’s without the amount of s**t applicators there are for this stuff you only have to look on here about why you get different shades from the same colour for lots of different reasons
Mouldyoldspudgun
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As an after thought wash the car? Are you sure
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The render is marketed as 'Through Coloured' which suggests to me that if it is scratched by something like a wheelbarrow or the handle bars of my bike then the scratch should be the same colour as the render on the surface.. thus it would be, as they claim, low maintenance.... Alas it is not.
I bought this from Travis Perkins using my credit card. I paid £2028 for it. I found this problem and approached TP and the Manufacturer… They messed me about aND WERE CLUELESS AS TO WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE TO RESOLVE THE MATTER... and so I prepared a legal case and give it to them.. they settled in the amount of £2750 but then banned me from their stores, so breached their own settlement agreement, thus releasing me from it…. Nice move... right?
I prepared a second case and this time presented it to the credit card company (section 75 of CCA 1974). They paid me £16,800 damages.
Anyone with issues with WEBER PralM one coat can get in touch and I will show you have to claim your money back and damages. You must have used it or had it used within the last three years.
To WEBER: How dya like dem apples!?!