whats the big fascination with the sponge float?????
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Hi Spunky,
Tbh i dont know if i should have given the walls a sponge after just 1 trowel which reading what you have just said is what you do id given the walls 2 trowels and were certainly pulling/pulled in was a bit aprehensive as the walls had no lines or hollows slacks etc it was just to kind of unifirm them and take little ripples out etc so in many ways semnt a bit of a backward move but i do think it improved the walls id like to try it possibley after just the 1 trowel next time when theres still work to do so as to not have to apply as much pressure etc...Just not wanting to f**k the walls up!
Used 1 for a while on backing coats to smooth over and bed in and provide a shallow mechanical key if going straight on float and set skimming great for taking all the high points out etc.
Defo going to look into this a bit more for 1 coating board for sure and possibly even some re-skims providing correct backing or for putting a bit more on when 2 coating to aid troweling out!
What do you do on ceilings fela? just the same? should imagine you get 1 wet arm? got a ceiling to reboard tomoz so thinking of giving a whirl?
PS....Do you get any grief off site agents with doing it or is it a do when knowones around job?
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Tbh i dont know if i should have given the walls a sponge after just 1 trowel which reading what you have just said is what you do id given the walls 2 trowels and were certainly pulling/pulled in was a bit aprehensive as the walls had no lines or hollows slacks etc it was just to kind of unifirm them and take little ripples out etc so in many ways semnt a bit of a backward move but i do think it improved the walls id like to try it possibley after just the 1 trowel next time when theres still work to do so as to not have to apply as much pressure etc...Just not wanting to f**k the walls up!
Used 1 for a while on backing coats to smooth over and bed in and provide a shallow mechanical key if going straight on float and set skimming great for taking all the high points out etc.
Defo going to look into this a bit more for 1 coating board for sure and possibly even some re-skims providing correct backing or for putting a bit more on when 2 coating to aid troweling out!
What do you do on ceilings fela? just the same? should imagine you get 1 wet arm? got a ceiling to reboard tomoz so thinking of giving a whirl?
PS....Do you get any grief off site agents with doing it or is it a do when knowones around job?
Zombie:RpS_thumbup:
Gibbo
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flattening is trowelling no
Gibbo
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again
Im definetly coming round to your way of thinking spunky so let me get this right you give it 1 flatten trowel whatever you want to call it whatever which would be a trowel incidently for me hehe then sponge and probably 2 trowels then done?
Am i aproaching it a bit late do you think viewing it instead of a wet trowel? do you think better to be a bit earlier?
Sorry for all the questions but the thought of saving some effort and time for me is giving me a serious horn on lol!:RpS_thumbup:
Zombie
Am i aproaching it a bit late do you think viewing it instead of a wet trowel? do you think better to be a bit earlier?
Sorry for all the questions but the thought of saving some effort and time for me is giving me a serious horn on lol!:RpS_thumbup:
Zombie
Hi pwi,
Im convinced that the 3 of the 4 walls that i sponged looked better than the 1 that just got a wet trowel going to have a look next week when dried! will update!
Can you tell us in what situation you used pal and how you worked through the skimming process?
Ta fela
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Im convinced that the 3 of the 4 walls that i sponged looked better than the 1 that just got a wet trowel going to have a look next week when dried! will update!
Can you tell us in what situation you used pal and how you worked through the skimming process?
Ta fela
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spunky
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Zombie if you're skimming board it has to be mint before you even start especially butted joints not sure of sponging 2 coat mate I'd just trowel it up like normal you can't really go wrong with the timing too late would be worse but you'll still leave lines in if you get on it too early I reckon
See what your saying Spunky, i reckon even on reskims and using on a 2 coat situation based on my walls yesterday could still aid you in terms of finish and or being able to put a little bit more on than normal....anyway ill keep having a pop and see what i think if you never try different things you never progress and all that!
Ta for answering my questions fela, appreciated!
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Ta for answering my questions fela, appreciated!
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skimmin2day
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I sometimes use the sponge also.Most my work is overskims so i do on 2 coats.
Usually if i got a lot of walls on and its running away from me,ill just give it a light rub up with the sponge and trowel it through to get me back in control then trowel as usual.
Sponge is a good tool to have in ur bag,very usefull on big ceilings were sometimes by the time youve gone over with your second coat it all ready drying and more difficult to trowel /flatten , so in this instance i would use the sponge to get it back were i want it then carry on as usual.
Also if theres a bit of a dent/or miss bit just rub in that area and trowel and its gone like magic !!!
I dont use them all the time and often dont use for weeks /months but will come in usefull now the days are getting warmer.
Usually if i got a lot of walls on and its running away from me,ill just give it a light rub up with the sponge and trowel it through to get me back in control then trowel as usual.
Sponge is a good tool to have in ur bag,very usefull on big ceilings were sometimes by the time youve gone over with your second coat it all ready drying and more difficult to trowel /flatten , so in this instance i would use the sponge to get it back were i want it then carry on as usual.
Also if theres a bit of a dent/or miss bit just rub in that area and trowel and its gone like magic !!!
I dont use them all the time and often dont use for weeks /months but will come in usefull now the days are getting warmer.
Jace
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anouther one for the plastic army haha:RpS_thumbup: i only ever trowelup with plastic trowel now just brush the edges in nice and tight then plastic trowel leaves amuch better finish dnt think ill ever go back to the normalway of troweling up plus my elbow wnt take the pressure you need to apply to trowel up with a ss trowel
Jace
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i lay on first coat, flatten it in second coat flatten it in makeing sure its perfect then if you cross trowel it with the plastic float youll find its ready for troweling almost straight away if you want to.
then i brush in all edges and just downthe beads to help not nick the float and just trowel it up dry with the plastic float, cross trowel it with plastic again and again youll find its ready instantly for final trowel the do the same as the first trowel again i.e brush edges and beads and dry trowel it, one final cross trowel with plastic float and its finished perfectly.
a 2 coat 4 and a half bag hit took me just over 2 hours doin it like this today:RpS_thumbup::RpS_wub:
then i brush in all edges and just downthe beads to help not nick the float and just trowel it up dry with the plastic float, cross trowel it with plastic again and again youll find its ready instantly for final trowel the do the same as the first trowel again i.e brush edges and beads and dry trowel it, one final cross trowel with plastic float and its finished perfectly.
a 2 coat 4 and a half bag hit took me just over 2 hours doin it like this today:RpS_thumbup::RpS_wub:
skimmin2day
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The only reason you have to 2 coat is to get an even surface.If the boards are flat and level why cant you one coat ?As long as its one GOOD coat 3mm thick.Not a bodge standard practise and if you need to get m2's on to earn the money then you should be doing it.
skimmin2day
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Ever tried putting 2 mm upto a 3mm bead ?
Freerider
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One coating can work on boards but I still find it dries out much more patchy and seems to flash set way worse than two coats, just doesnt trowel up as nice but thats just my opinion! can be done reasonably well though so if you can get away with it, no reason why not!
skimmin2day
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I agree totaly mate with what your saying it can dry patchy (although fine when painted ) it does flash set often ( hence the sponge float) and generally isnt as nice looking as 2 coat if 2 coat done right.But i do under stand why people do it that are on site pay and conditions its a ******* free for all and at £1.80 m2 before retention cis etc you gotta bang 60-90 m2 a day to make it pay.
It wasnt untill about 6 month ago when i was on a job for a guy i do lot of work for and he pays me a shite rate but i had 2 x 4bugalows to go at with big open areas on 90% boards i thought **** this.Now all ceilings got 2 of my finest coats but the rest on walls one coat only.
a few areas here and there needed a sand and fill but i was painting and tiling and putting kitchens and bathrooms in after so i know i could make it100% right.
Job was mint when finished customer was happy i completed the 2jobs in 5 weeks case closed.
Ill add all board work was tapered edge also i gave all scrim joints a tight coat of scrim prior to the one coat.
It wasnt untill about 6 month ago when i was on a job for a guy i do lot of work for and he pays me a shite rate but i had 2 x 4bugalows to go at with big open areas on 90% boards i thought **** this.Now all ceilings got 2 of my finest coats but the rest on walls one coat only.
a few areas here and there needed a sand and fill but i was painting and tiling and putting kitchens and bathrooms in after so i know i could make it100% right.
Job was mint when finished customer was happy i completed the 2jobs in 5 weeks case closed.
Ill add all board work was tapered edge also i gave all scrim joints a tight coat of scrim prior to the one coat.
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