Who's working? (poll not argument)

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Current working status?

  • Not at all anywhere.

    Votes: 47 55.3%

  • Yes, but only person on site.

    Votes: 15 17.6%

  • Yes, on site with others but practising safe isolation.

    Votes: 12 14.1%

  • Part time urgent jobs.

    Votes: 10 11.8%

  • Working as normal 'cause fcuk it.

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • Total voters
    85
TonyM said:
I don’t. Solid measure every time.
If they question it, I say they have to pay a linear meterage which is the same as a square metre, and that it takes longer to cut round a doorway than to cut it out.
Plus I tend not to work for c**ts.
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Exact same pal,we charge more 4 linear so there soon agree to let doors and windows included
 
Pl plastering said:
f**k me robbo just accept that some people are c**ts regarding if there have got a nurse uniform or not! My best mates mrs Is a nurse has been 4 15 years and she hasnt changed 1 bit..f**k all to do with parking etc on wether there become a c**t or not.u need a reality check lad
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Not really, dealing with all that s**t and getting f**k all pay rise year after year. You not think people would fall out of love with it getting screwed over?
 
Pl plastering said:
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Upped your day rate in the last 10 years? Would you be happy working for what you did back then?
Cos if I was on what I was 10 years ago I'd get a different job or think f**k it you get what you pay for
 
Some of the prices I've seen builders put in your heart would stop especially on high end work where the customer is minted...I've run a few jobs myself and the money is top dollar but the stress levels are also high.

One builder I worked for he just used to double all prices...

I remember the tiler being pissed off lol he quoted £800 tiling a bathroom ready to go with natural stone...builder put in £3500 and got the job lol
 
Nath80 said:
or think f**k it you get what you pay for
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The trouble with that attitude is it's reversible and those with it end up getting paid what they're worth.

There's a very simple rule that applies (or should) during everyone's working life. If you don't like it, leave. If you can't or won't then your pay, conditions and treatment are exactly what you deserve.
 
FreeD said:
I've run a few jobs myself and the money is top dollar but the stress levels are also high.
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and that's why. There is no where to hide when you're the one responsible for the lot. So you get the rewards when it goes well, but have to be prepared to take the hit when it doesn't. It's no surprise that most of the green eyes only want one side of that equation.
 
imago said:
The trouble with that attitude is it's reversible and those with it end up getting paid what they're worth.

There's a very simple rule that applies (or should) during everyone's working life. If you don't like it, leave. If you can't or won't then your pay, conditions and treatment are exactly what you deserve.
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Leaving a job when its taken 4 years training and what you've always wanted to do and put you 40k in debt to get there? Ok then.
Oh and it makes no sense as good and bad nurses are paid the same
 
Nath80 said:
Leaving a job when its taken 4 years training and what you've always wanted to do and put you 40k in debt to get there? Ok then
Oh and it makes no sense as the bad nurses are paid exactly the same as the good ones
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Nath80 said:
Leaving a job when its taken 4 years training and what you've always wanted to do and put you 40k in debt to get there? Ok then
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So you accept the pay and conditions that come with the job you spent four years training for and got £40k (bollox) in debt for.

It's not a unique situation by any stretch, if you're not happy leave. From Doctors to brick layers people have trained for a job, things change and/or the get fed up and move on. There's a shortage in whichever profession has lost staff, the rates go up and people come back or train and enter. Why would you think any one prefession would be immune to something that's gone on since the barter system finished?
 
imago said:
So you accept the pay and conditions that come with the job you spent four years training for and got £40k (bollox) in debt for.

It's not a unique situation by any stretch, if you're not happy leave. From Doctors to brick layers people have trained for a job, things change and/or the get fed up and move on. There's a shortage in whichever profession has lost staff, the rates go up and people come back or train and enter. Why would you think any one prefession would be immune to something that's gone on since the barter system finished?
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I've always said you know the crack b4 u get into it,be it p
Pl plastering said:
And you paid £10k in tax and you dont even hit threshold or arnt ltd
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So @FreeD why dont you go ltd? Your accountant advised you against going ltd but your paying £10k self assessment tax? Dsnt make sense at all
 
imago said:
So you accept the pay and conditions that come with the job you spent four years training for and got £40k (bollox) in debt for.

It's not a unique situation by any stretch, if you're not happy leave. From Doctors to brick layers people have trained for a job, things change and/or the get fed up and move on. There's a shortage in whichever profession has lost staff, the rates go up and people come back or train and enter. Why would you think any one prefession would be immune to something that's gone on since the barter system finished?
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Like ur alluding to, kids are coming out of uni now with 40k debt and don’t even know what they wanna do , let alone bail out of a job 10 years in
 
superspread said:
Like ur alluding to, kids are coming out of uni now with 40k debt and don’t even know what they wanna do , let alone bail out of a job 10 years in
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The education system is set up for a situation which hasn't existed for 30 or 40 years. That someone would leave school and stay in the same job/career/firm for their entire working lives.

That's over, gone, never to return. Things change at a far faster rate now, and people have to be willing and able to change too or they get left behind. I'm not saying that's right, or even fair,but it is the way things are.
 
imago said:
The education system is set up for a situation which hasn't existed for 30 or 40 years. That someone would leave school and stay in the same job/career/firm for their entire working lives.

That's over, gone, never to return. Things change at a far faster rate now, and people have to be willing and able to change too or they get left behind. I'm not saying that's right, or even fair,but it is the way things are.
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Yea by in large I think you’re correct on that
 
imago said:
So you accept the pay and conditions that come with the job you spent four years training for and got £40k (bollox) in debt for.

It's not a unique situation by any stretch, if you're not happy leave. From Doctors to brick layers people have trained for a job, things change and/or the get fed up and move on. There's a shortage in whichever profession has lost staff, the rates go up and people come back or train and enter. Why would you think any one prefession would be immune to something that's gone on since the barter system finished?
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You don't agree there's been a shortfall in nurses wages? More so than any other job I can think of tbh. And if you don't think you can get in 40k debt at uni then you are way out if touch. Can be alot more than that too
 
imago said:
The education system is set up for a situation which hasn't existed for 30 or 40 years. That someone would leave school and stay in the same job/career/firm for their entire working lives.

That's over, gone, never to return. Things change at a far faster rate now, and people have to be willing and able to change too or they get left behind. I'm not saying that's right, or even fair,but it is the way things are.
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So you're saying someone who does a degree in nursing is unlikely to stay in nursing their whole career? That is a bizzare thing to say or think. It's not like getting a business degree and switching from company to company.

Nurses, vets, teachers, doctors etc train in a very specific area and largely stay in it
 
Nath80 said:
You don't agree there's been a shortfall in nurses wages? More so than any other job I can think of tbh. And if you don't think you can get in 40k debt at uni then you are way out if touch. Can be alot more than that too
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Lots of people/professions should be paid higher wages, but they aren't. I'm sure you can get into a £40k debt, at university. Just like I can get into a million pound debt.

As you pointed out in some of your other posts, the figures you can get into and the figures you need to get into are very different.
 
Nath80 said:
So you're saying someone who does a degree in nursing is unlikely to stay in nursing their whole career? That is a bizzare thing to say or think.
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I'm not saying that, I'm saying if they're unhappy they can leave. I'm also saying that training or qualifying in any profession is no guarantee that you either can, or would want to remain in it for your entire working life.

I'd also suggest that if you have chosen to spend £40k and four years training to enter a profession where the wages are poor then you are either a fool or so dedicated that the money doesn't matter. In either case you've been hoisted by your own petard.
 
imago said:
Lots of people/professions should be paid higher wages, but they aren't. I'm sure you can get into a £40k debt, at university. Just like I can get into a million pound debt.

As you pointed out in some of your other posts, the figures you can get into and the figures you need to get into are very different.
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They aren't very different at all
 
imago said:
I'm not saying that, I'm saying if they're unhappy they can leave. I'm also saying that training or qualifying in any profession is no guarantee that you either can, or would want to remain in it for your entire working life.

I'd also suggest that if you have chosen to spend £40k and four years training to enter a profession where the wages are poor then you are either a fool or so dedicated that the money doesn't matter. In either case you've been hoisted by your own petard.
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You think a nurse who started her career 10 years ago should of had the foresight to realise she would get pay rises lower than the rate of inflation?
 
Nath80 said:
They aren't very different at all
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Then why were you getting your knickers in a twist about people's debts being their own fault and they should suck it up? Are you saying that nurses should live within their means and fcuk 'em if they don't? Or are you saying that everyone else should live within their means but nurses can be as profligate as they want with tax payer's money (student loans)?

Nath80 said:
Simple, live within your means. Everything I own I've bought outright other than my house and the mortgage is f**k all. My family could live off 4 days work a month
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imago said:
Then why were you getting your knickers in a twist about people's debts being their own fault and they should suck it up? Are you saying that nurses should live within their means and fcuk 'em if they don't? Or are you saying that everyone else should live within their means but nurses can be as profligate as they want with tax payer's money (student loans)?
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Very good point that!
 
Nath80 said:
You think a nurse who started her career 10 years ago should of had the foresight to realise she would get pay rises lower than the rate of inflation?
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Are you saying that anyone stupid/naive enough to believe that wages will only ever rise no matter what the circumstance should be allowed a responsible job? Are you saying that student nurses don't have access to news or lessons on history at school?

We all find ourselves subject to the vagaries of fortune, it's how life is.
 
imago said:
Then why were you getting your knickers in a twist about people's debts being their own fault and they should suck it up? Are you saying that nurses should live within their means and fcuk 'em if they don't? Or are you saying that everyone else should live within their means but nurses can be as profligate as they want with tax payer's money (student loans)?
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Ha imagine classing a student loan the same as a debt on a kitchen or a car
 
imago said:
Are you saying that anyone stupid/naive enough to believe that wages will only ever rise no matter what the circumstance should be allowed a responsible job? Are you saying that student nurses don't have access to news or lessons on history at school?

We all find ourselves subject to the vagaries of fortune, it's how life is.
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You've got to the point of ridiculous now if you expect to believe that a nurse should of realised that their government wouldn't even keep their wage in line with inflation
 
Nath80 said:
You've got to the point of ridiculous now if you expect to believe that a nurse should of realised that their government wouldn't even keep their wage in line with inflation
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Really? Seriously? When you are actually right at this moment living through that exact thing? As with the last government, and the one before that, and the .. you get the point.

Nurses wages have been sh1t since the earliest I can remember. The Labour decided that they could be increased if nursing required a degree. That worked well. All governments will screw someone, unfortunately it's those least able to afford it who get screwed the most often.
 
Lads why are you even arguing with robbo..he never answers the question on the point you've given,just throws some more numbers about a different topic..reminds me of somebody:popcorn:
 
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