Why does everyone loath coursers so much?

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Can I just ask, what is there to learn about putting muck on a spot board and putting muck on a hawk and getting it off again with a trowel?

Apart from not dropping it, it's hardly rocket science is it!
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well lets see then firstly there are a number of ways to get mud from spot board to handboard and done correctly they are different for finish than roughing.its all about not getting your spot board dirty whilst finishing(especially the underside) thats why you should never have your handboard under the edge of spot and drag material on its the wrong way its ok for roughing on but not skimming.

then after mastering those manoevers you learn to put onto your trowel this can take a few weeks then learn to get on other side then half of one side the just near toe /heal because when plastering a wall you will need these skills all in all a good spread could make an apprentise stand at a spot board for a month at least.this sounds long but its not think how ofte you`ll be there in a career you need to master it coz its your base you want it and the floor around it DRYand CLEAN.
now dont get me started on using you splash vbucket properly i cant stand wet floors

when people think they know it you bet they dont
 
i dont have a problem with them to a point but i do have a problem when they come on a forum and ask questions which put the fear of god up me to think they are going to charge someone money for something they know nothing about. here is a question posted on ebuild.

quote: Hi all,

I haven't been on here for a while but here goes anyway. I have been plastering now for 7 years doing mostly extensions, Dot & Dab and over skimming. Am pretty experienced in all aspects however, i have to quote for a 2 story extension for a builder to 'rough up' and skim. This is something that i haven't done before and was just wondering if anyone could give me some valuable tips. I have rendered outside walls, used hardwall on breeze blocks several times, and must say i didn't take to rendering! much prefer using hardwall indoors. I am guessing they mean applying a sand and cement base to the walls first then just skimming with a finish coat! The walls are all breeze block. It has all been first fixed and ceilings boarded out. I would appreciate any help, ie tips to get the undercoat flat before applying a finish coat. Do i need to key it? etc.

Cheers

Dj_Plastering

How would we all feel if the local garage had our car in for repair and the guy was on a motor forum asking how to change the breaks. :-\.
 
To everyone who's wrote a sensible reply here, Thanks. I hope I can get a "real plasterer" to show me how to do it properly. Until then, as I said earlier, I'll work for friends and relatives and practice as much as possible. hopefully I'll be able to call myself a skimmer in a few years time. ;)

And for the ones who just posted on the thread to be cocky, I'll assume your reputations aren't good enough to win you jobs over cheaper "coursers". ::)
 
del heres your laff mate i cant stand working with spreads that halfway thru the first gauge about a 3ft circle of water lies around there buckets which by the end of the day is like a lake with plaster all been dropped in then white footprints going off like spagetti junction there water brushes look like bob marley coz there sat in about 3 inches of slime at the bottom of the bucket..im not one for slipping on a wet floor and pullin me back but hey thats me.im saying if your clean and maticulous all what seems silly and trivial need to be adhered to if not it goes t*ts
 
Danny said:
I worked for free to get the experience I then went on £40 a day before tax lol I did 2 years I think with a firm but I would always spin up as quick as I could then I could slap a it on then I would then go flattening off bla bla bla.

I had to break away from them I was sticking more on than the rough spread and I was neater yet he would not pay me more money (the other spread always gave me extra cash and paid for brekky) so I did a course however I only used it to perfect my skills... and I have done pretty well out of it however I am probably one in a 1000 that have made a good business and I work with a lot of local spreads in the area and pass work about.

I remember when things started tightening up I would just give my work to the guy with the family and mortgage. you could tell that he was stressed and theres me swanning aroiund all smiles and brown from the 5 holidays or so a year I take. ...lol

The 2 guys I worked with before one was awesome one was rough the one that was rough is constantly pestering me for work...(funny hey) the one that is awesome recons we will be working together on my return however another plasterer that is working for me at present is doing a grand job and sending me regular money, and has proved his loyalty to me which I think goes without saying really


lol funny how the tables turn! I wish I did plastering when I left school but I was told I was too bright to be in construction (my dad) before I left england i was making more money in a week than he'd make in a month...lol



You gotta do what you gotta do in my opinion dont expect miracles and your are not a plasterer until you can float set render skim screed and swear a lot!! you get ut what you put in and try not to undercut local spreads price wars never last and the only loser is the person that is doing the job for peanuts.

When I get back to england if I am not getting £150 a day I shant bother I will give it to someone else and go back travelling.

Man its hot here!!

Danny

PS dont mean to offend or upset just and opinion
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surley dan what with poker888 advertising and your other sites, why work at all your income must be fair to just keep travelling...and not getting your hands dirty at all....and you said this site a while back was costing you money.......lol...hope your keeping well fella
 
These posts i keep reading about people who have learnt how to plaster on courses being useless, unskilled etc etc are a joke. Everytime I read them it makes me want to work even harder and harder and harder get more and more money and knock out 2 rooms in one set instead of 1!! Fortunately i've never met any 'course haters' since starting my business have had nothing but support, on Friday a well known builder in my area offered me a full time job PAYE! :) wish all the 'haters' would go over to the screwfix forum plenty of like minded people there.
 
thers good and bad from both schools of teaching ...ive met some absolute mustard tradesmen who have done short courses but have had previous skills and ive met some absolute twots...sorry to say same goes with old school teaching...where they have been thru the mill as labourers and then spreads themselves...some have been a pleasure to watch and learn from others i wouldnt want them near my house. Your only as good as your teachers and your own ability to learn from others.....if you learn off a cowboy you wont stand much chance in being a decent tradesmen yourself cause u wont know any better.
As for your comment FreeD...knocking out a room in 1 set...mmmmnnnn...and wanting to go for 2 rooms...mmmnnn..........duries out on that one my friend.....and if as u say all the haters go to the other forum, you wouldnt get all your essensial advise on here from the old hands...so i cant understand your thinking on that one!
.ive met plenty of course haters...why...cause theres alot of really bad plasterers/call themselves plasterers out there thinking that they can do any job without being able skilled enough to do the job to the standard that is needed and expected.just cause they have just finished a short course ..which in turn really pizzes off the real tradesmen plasterers.....as their losing out on jobs to these guys who dont really know what they are doing....although some do ( I myself was a short courser, made redundant with no-one willing to take me on.......so no choice but to learn in this manner although i must state that i hooked up with an old hand to really learn the job)

all i know is i continue to learn this trade day to day......i can hold my own , a few on here have worked with me on jobs and have said the same...but the more i learn the more i realise the more i need to learn....

..good workmanship is good workmanship whether it be from old school teaching or short course teaching simple as that...just dont think your a friggin superstar cause you can lay on plasterboard and have been plastering for a couple of years....cause you aint and the more you work with top notch spreads the more you realise what is possible and what isnt......and what real standards are.

Rant over....I'll get back in my box now....
 
well said phippsy ;)..........phippsy did a course but he's learnt the rest on site .........its the rest of you knobs ....ive done a course im going to work by myself and learn of my own experience ???........im going to reskim my bedroom 50 times ........you havent got a clue ;D..........if youre stupid enough to spend money on a plastering course without thinking of the years of graft that follow to actually learn the f**k**g trade ......then carry on dont listen to us ...................mugs ;D
 
simplytheoldest lol kin hell wondered when you were gonna turn up....thought i could smell wee.....didnt want to miss out on all the fun i bet.
 
Some of the people here are actually stuck up pr*cks.

Never met snob tradesmen before. Must be southerners!
 
FreeD said:
These posts i keep reading about people who have learnt how to plaster on courses being useless, unskilled etc etc are a joke. Everytime I read them it makes me want to work even harder and harder and harder get more and more money and knock out 2 rooms in one set instead of 1!! Fortunately i've never met any 'course haters' since starting my business have had nothing but support, on Friday a well known builder in my area offered me a full time job PAYE! :) wish all the 'haters' would go over to the screwfix forum plenty of like minded people there.
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2 rooms in one set eh, you have changed your tune..........seem to remember a topic called a room. you said 250 a day, 1 wall a day, 1000 pound plus mats,.........you are a joke ;)
 
i wouldnt take any notice of the spread who claims to be able to do big hits, the average would be either 3 sets at 2 bags a set which will give you around 60+m2 a day or two 30m2 sets. i have seen the spreads who stick on 50m2 sets in the standard type new build, they dont have time to take time where they should, electric boxes dont get cleaned out and the ceiling to wall line is like a tramline as are there internal angles .
 
Spread who taught me just laid on all four walls at the same time...had them all on with a large trowell within 10 mins...then trowelled his corners carefully no corner trowell wet on wet. Same with all things in life once you have done a course you have to get the experience...fair enough but some people on here act like everyone is f**king stupid and try to put people off short courses, if you work hard are willing to learn are confident as i've said many times before theres no reason why you can't be successful, intensive courses have been done in all sectors for years they are nothing new, some people take to them others don't depends on your learning ability but its not to say they don't make great tradesman, i know 2 local spreads who have done the C&G course like myself and are flat out, they can render, skim, screed, pboard, through colour render everything to a high standard and are as quick as any time served spread they can all do wet on wet, rolling gauges, flat rendering without screeds or running off beads etc etc. Phippsy I appreciate the advice I get, but remember its not just me learning these 'time served' spreads learn from me also ;)

Del I'll think u'll find that was the joke.

Turk do you realise for every 2 average size rooms you skim up there your skimming one for free! lol

you know what they say pay peanuts get .......
 
courses are sound ive always said education is the key and youve got to have improved if youve been on a course rather than not being on a course. A lot of the lads who post on forums i would go as far as saying 80% of the lads and the same on site have not got a plastering qual to their names some are good some a sheite, some are liars some are not, some can some cant, some can price some cant you get the picture but what is annoying which has been said is you wont become a good plasterer in a matter of days, weeks and years and some never become plasterers because basicaly they cant. So go on a course by all means but it wont make you a plasterer.
 
flynnyman said:
courses are sound ive always said education is the key and youve got to have improved if youve been on a course rather than not being on a course. A lot of the lads who post on forums i would go as far as saying 80% of the lads and the same on site have not got a plastering qual to their names some are good some a sheite, some are liars some are not, some can some cant, some can price some cant you get the picture but what is annoying which has been said is you wont become a good plasterer in a matter of days, weeks and years and some never become plasterers because basicaly they cant. So go on a course by all means but it wont make you a plasterer.
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Yeah, I agree, but half the people on here act like it's a disease! Bunch of know it all's if you ask me!
 
freed so youre saying that paying 500-2000 on a course which you will have to progress further on site starting from the bare bones basics i.e mixing up and sweeping the floor before you even get close to a trowel isnt stupid........................and if you do go on a course and dont learn with a spread how the f**k do you learn ???
and you cant lay four walls on in ten minutes unless youre in a cupboard re***d
 
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Turk said:
Yeah, I agree, but half the people on here act like it's a disease! Bunch of know it all's if you ask me!
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im sure your boss will find you an absolute joy too... does it not take one to know one?
i suppose if enough people tell you pretty much the same thing you can make your mind up based on the information youve received from various sources and be thankfull youve had such a broad based wealth of experience to draw on...

or you could just tell everyone theyre a c'nt and do your own thing regardless..

good luck with the course
 
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spunky said:
freed so youre saying that paying 500-2000 on a course which you will have to progress further on site starting from the bare bones basics i.e mixing up and sweeping the floor before you even get close to a trowel isnt stupid........................and if you do go on a course and dont learn with a spread how the (french word) do you learn ???
and you cant lay four walls on in ten minutes unless youre in a cupboard re***d
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:D :D :D praps the spread thats teaching freed did that ceiling for lumpy,....... he was quick aswell ;D
 
10 mins to lay a room what did he mix it up wet an throw the bucket at the wall then flatten it all off ;D ;D

and using a bigger trowel doesnt enable to lay on any faster
 
Tell you what 'that spread' i learnt from knocked out 8 walls wet on wet (2 sets)...2 rooms by 3pm charging the customer £580...£80 for me and £500 for him not bad for a days work.

Spunky not even gonna bother reading your post never makes any sense anyway. This forum needs a spelling and grammar correction function.
 
good for you mate ........even if youre starting to sound a bit desperate ............£80 quid a day show me the money ;D
 
we have a good crack on here :) keep learning mate one day youll be out of the cupboards ;D..........youre only bitter because you want this to be a nice place where you can rape everyones knowledge like the coursers ::)
 
if you think we're cnuts on here, you should have a look at the tattooist forums!
 
dont get a job at all, rent a nice house and hire a load of girls , advertise a night as as swinging night and charge all the sad gits 75 to get in and have a poke. and while thats all going on downstairs, fill the roof with lots of lights and do some gardening up there. your be minted within a year and never pick up a trowel.
 
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