Would you employ a courser?

Would you employ someone who has gained their qualifications via a course?

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andyR

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Seeing as it seems to be a topic of contention on here, i thought i'd ask.
So lets see what people really think. Some logic to your answers would be nice, just to see what the general consensus is.
Do try not to turn the thread into a shite storm though, despite it being quite an emotive subject :RpS_biggrin::RpS_thumbup:
 
You will be lucky if this doesnt kick off lol
Yep i would employ someone who had been on a course compared to someone who hadnt its a no brainer. They are showing they are keen, interested, willing to learn but i would only pay them what i thought they were worth.
 
flynnyman said:
You will be lucky if this doesnt kick off lol
Yep i would employ someone who had been on a course compared to someone who hadnt its a no brainer. They are showing they are keen, interested, willing to learn but i would only pay them what i thought they were worth.
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Exactly what i would've said Flynny.
 
Horses for courses I'm afraid.

There are a glut of plasterers out there at the moment who think they are the bees knees and rate their own work highly, and i'm afraid from my experiences this isn't the case.

I wouldn't have any hesitation, as previously mentioned before, of taking on someone able and willing to learn, and pay them according to their experience, with the added incentives of financial awards asociated with improvement and advancement.

Equally, those that know the job and are competent at it, then I would have no hesitation in employing them as well.

But, I'm sorry to say, at the moment, standards are shite and the chances of picking up good quality these days is as rare as pixy dust!
 
So you'd not employ a courser as a labourer and bring them on Spunky? as opposed to employing someone with no clue and teaching them absolutely everything?

Just playing devils advocate here you understand.
 
so the trick here is to not mention you had been on a course then :-)

So if I was a labourer I would keep shtum :-) Then look like a natural...lol
 
I worked with a lad who went on a course he was a s**t labourer and a s**t plasterer and all he did was bang on about how he's going to start his own business and can I skim this and can I skim that the truth is I couldn't trust him and I wasn't prepared to lose my time on the trowel looking after him, he was miles away from even buying a trowel and needless to say he had a chip on his shoulder when I told him, I sacked him and he didn't even work for me
 
Andy its pretty obvious you think 3 weeks is long enough to turn someone into a half decent plasterer .....I don't ......do you understand this or shall we carry on?
 
Here's another a lads just invested 1500 quid and he's going to want to get his money back so how's he going to do that on 40 quid a day ?
 
andyR said:
Bad experience there then Spunky, though a tad unfair to tar everyone with the same brush though.
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Agree with you here.

Not all blokes that have taken the course will have the attitude that Spunky's labourer had.

I'm sure that the majority that have taken any course, will realise that they are not the finished article and must start from the basic level of labourer/improver.
 
what sort of course are we talking?

i would assume that the person whos showing willing by going on a course would not appreciate being given a podger and being told to mix 15 tubs a days for 2 spreads, then clean the floors and make some tea. followed by mixing 40 bags of hardwall and 10 tonne of screed on a mixer. i think he would think he was better than that as he would have a minute amount of skill that he would assume meant he shouldnt have to labour. this happens with most labourers, let alone people who've already learnt it all

obviously there are exceptions
 
bear in mind I work with an improver already and a very good lad who I can only pay 70 quid (unless were on price we go on a percentage ) because thats whats dictated to me by site rates
What is a lad going to say who's just spent 1500 quid on a course And he's cleaning floors and prepping for 6 months ?
 
as long as the lad is prepared to get all the donkey work learn from the ground up despite the fact they have been on a course and is keen willing and reliable then i dnt mind, think about it alot of coursers who come on here say thier looking for more experience so if they came to me then they would havr to understand that what they did on a course means jack squat to me, they have admitted they need more experience and thier asking me to teach them, so they learn things my way or no way, if they give it all the billy big bo-locks that they could plaster the world then i aint interested and they can fark off.
when i was taught i had to learn everything the hard way and they way he did it if i started to do things my way he would say to me that i can get lost, its his name on the job and my way might not work, if i do it his way then he knew it was a cert to be pukka, this is the way i teach, i have taught 3 people who worked with me but all were inpatient one left and started on his own, now they only work he can get is from his dad as no-one else will let him do anything (hes sheite) and the other 2 wanted all the money but had none of the experience for me to warrant paying them more. one of them could have been good but didnt follow through with it
 
Well I've tried it more than once and won't again and jasper I've never seen anyone finish a course that would fit in as an improver with me.
 
spunky said:
bear in mind I work with an improver already and a very good lad who I can only pay 70 quid (unless were on price we go on a percentage ) because thats whats dictated to me by site rates
What is a lad going to say who's just spent 1500 quid on a course And he's cleaning floors and prepping for 6 months ?
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Id reckon that if he's got the right attitude he will realise that hes far from being a plasterer and will swallow it if he wants the chance, if not i think any one of us would send em down the road.
I remember making tea n sweeping up and even cleaning the workshop khazi for my first six months (many years ago now tho lol), even getting a smack up the head for mouthing off at one point!
 
spunky said:
I worked with a lad who went on a course he was a s**t labourer and a s**t plasterer and all he did was bang on about how he's going to start his own business and can I skim this and can I skim that the truth is I couldn't trust him and I wasn't prepared to lose my time on the trowel looking after him, he was miles away from even buying a trowel and needless to say he had a chip on his shoulder when I told him, I sacked him and he didn't even work for me
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:RpS_laugh:
 
andyR said:
Id reckon that if he's got the right attitude he will realise that hes far from being a plasterer and will swallow it if he wants the chance, if not i think any one of us would send em down the road.
I remember making tea n sweeping up and even cleaning the workshop khazi for my first six months (many years ago now tho lol), even getting a smack up the head for mouthing off at one point!
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a smack in the head is what most labourers need tbh
 
essexandy said:
Well I've tried it more than once and won't again and jasper I've never seen anyone finish a course that would fit in as an improver with me.
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Andy, i've taken on so called 'plasterers' and what a waste of both our time! I'd rather have a willing trowel hand who wants to learn, who shows enthusiasm and who knows his limits, than a trade plasterer who puts out sub standard work- justifying themselves that they've been in the trade for 10-15 yrs- 'i'm time served'- nobody has ever pulled me up on my work -etc etc.

Quality seems to be a trait missing in todays world. All i'm saying is that if someone is willing to learn and listen and take on board someone elses working practices irrespective of them taking a course then surely that is not a bad thing?
 
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