fair enough, vince. i went through stage a year or two ago with it and loved it. absolutely adored it. would a whole room on in one and think why dont people use this? apart form the porr distributon. then i put an artex ceiling o and it flash set. fcuk me. can still remember it. was a job i walked away from and expected a call back. luckl i never got one. i might try it again looking at your pics. in fact, im gonna finish this b and b im doing - woman was on four in a bed - and go and get some from ccf . god bless you, vince