I dont doubt it for one minute im just sick of upselling natural eco shite. They will never replace cement and concrete is here forever, there will always be an eco alternative available but it will never dominate the mass market and the prices they expect people to pay for natural materials its no wonder
coloured clay plaster...no need to paint
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does anyone on here seriously give a sh!te about being eco friendly?
cos to be honest i dont give a sh!t about recycling or the enviroment! not saying people should just dump sh!t all over or owt but come on!! global warming,,, what a load of knackers!!! the earth is just going through the latter stages of spring and getting ready for its summer
cos to be honest i dont give a sh!t about recycling or the enviroment! not saying people should just dump sh!t all over or owt but come on!! global warming,,, what a load of knackers!!! the earth is just going through the latter stages of spring and getting ready for its summer
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Hi Mate didnt know you were on here, jeez dont they give you a rough ride ffs lol :RpS_lol:
how did France go?
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Hi Paul
Had a few problems with different suctions due the the wall being a mixture of limestone and granite. If I hadn't done those two days with you I would have been in right Sh*t.
NPS & CKJ if all you want to do is house bashing at £2.50m2 then clay plaster is not for you. After thirty years of pushing plaster up the wall you get sick of it, believe me. Its difficult to get any job satisfaction when you have to do 60m2 of skimming or 30m2 of float and set a day. Clay plaster is an unique product quite challenging to use but you get the wow factor at the end of the day.
Had a few problems with different suctions due the the wall being a mixture of limestone and granite. If I hadn't done those two days with you I would have been in right Sh*t.
NPS & CKJ if all you want to do is house bashing at £2.50m2 then clay plaster is not for you. After thirty years of pushing plaster up the wall you get sick of it, believe me. Its difficult to get any job satisfaction when you have to do 60m2 of skimming or 30m2 of float and set a day. Clay plaster is an unique product quite challenging to use but you get the wow factor at the end of the day.
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I also do venetian and have a few specialist products of my own but to be honest theres no work. im only getting £2 a metre and now i hate plastering with a passion i was gonna do the wallcrete training but i have lost total interest. i start my new job in september as a plastering lecturer as i have lost all faith in the job.
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I know how you feel CKJ I couldn't compete on site, those prices are a young mans price. I only do domestics but with prices like £2.00m2 more & more site boys are doing weekend domestics to bump there money up and using materials from site. Can't say I blame them. Back in the early 90s I was doing a footballers house and they had venetian in there the guys doing it were getting £80.00 a m2 what the rate today £60-70 m2?
I know how you feel CKJ I couldn't compete on site, those prices are a young mans price. I only do domestics but with prices like £2.00m2 more & more site boys are doing weekend domestics to bump there money up and using materials from site. Can't say I blame them. Back in the early 90s I was doing a footballers house and they had venetian in there the guys doing it were getting £80.00 a m2 what the rate today £60-70 m2?
Im gonna be at a college il be ok once im off site its the money aspect of the job thats ruined everythin i cant keep workin like i am and earning so little i just want a regular wage with holiday pay.
Ive never had it
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I gotta say i'm starting to feel the same way as CKJ i got my PTTLS level 4 and am part way through my assessors award and seriously thinking about going on to do my teaching diploma, but you can guarantee as soon as i get into the teaching side, the recession will end and there will be a major building boom with lads earning footballers wages !!
Yep sods law and the lads you are trainin will be earnin more than you grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Thought about it a few years ago, had a couple of interviews in manchester but never got them felt like it was dead mans shoes. Ive got a friend who i trained with who has been teachin in manchester he seems to be able to get away quite a lot to do jobs so its not just the holidays youve also got the sick pay
I suppose youve got to weigh up the steady wage against the being at the same place every day getting abuse of the kids lol
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I realy wish you the best Paul but knowing you ile give you four weeks teaching before you get sick of the re***ds we breed in this country nowadays before you jack
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Hi Mate, I'm looking to train experienced plasterers i don't think I could train from scratch its gonna be hard and i think i would need the patience of a saint getting you lot sorted :RpS_lol:
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Ask yourself the question, are you a craftsman an artisan or a builder...the word plasterer represents all 3 very different aspects of the trade and as a result does tend to create this difference of opinion, lack of understanding and above all appreciation for these other aspects of the trade...from what it sounds like CKJ, NPS, your not in any position to put down the eco systems and most certainly not in any way suitable to be going in to any sort of teaching capacity....The Eco systems, breathable systems (clay plastering, lime plastering) are a different ballgame alltogether, i'd say almost a different trade in themselves much like fibrous is in my eyes...they require a great deal of patience, skill and understanding to master and there is CLEARLY a premium to pay for that as well as the fact that your payin for a system which will last for centuries, preserve the longevity of the building fabric and create a healthy living environment....Gypsum plastering is really all about how much u can put on as quickley as possible for as little overheads as poss and that really is all it is.......U either have the creativity in you to create an artistic soulfull piece of work or you don't....If u don't and your happy house bashing then carry on...if your not and your winging about how hard it is out there, then maybe you should be looking in to other aspects of the trade and opening your mind a bit to what others are tryin to tell you..why not LISTEN!!!..to what other fellow spreads are saying who have experienced other systems, other products, go and have a go youself and then make your judgement...don't put down the other aspects of the trade when you clearly know **** all about it chap...American clay has a market here, its completely unique to anything else on the market, u have numerous different application possibilities with the limitations being only the applicators imagination and skill..porcelina and loma are all unique in their own way, mind blowing in the right hands from what i've seen!!...it will be used by what i'd class as craftsmen and artisan plasterers who have the creativity, patience and enthusiasm to learn and master it, therefore it will remain a specialist product and will keep the divide between the house bashers squabling over the scraps of the current slave labour corporate blood suckin site agents...cummon, no wonder your so biggoted, your being bent over and done up ya jacksee on a daily basis!!!! PLEASE PLEASE do not go in to teaching my friend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! god no!!!...someone who really does have a passion to learn this trade properly and pays his money should only have the best advice from a well rounded experienced plasterer with enthusiasm for teaching it, not an ex house basher who now wants to teach because he gets a steady wage and holiday pay..deal with ya life before teachin others yeah!!!..teach because thats what you want to do and its because you want to be the dogs bollox at it or don't do it!!!!
Ask yourself the question, are you a craftsman an artisan or a builder...the word plasterer represents all 3 very different aspects of the trade and as a result does tend to create this difference of opinion, lack of understanding and above all appreciation for these other aspects of the trade...from what it sounds like CKJ, NPS, your not in any position to put down the eco systems and most certainly not in any way suitable to be going in to any sort of teaching capacity....The Eco systems, breathable systems (clay plastering, lime plastering) are a different ballgame alltogether, i'd say almost a different trade in themselves much like fibrous is in my eyes...they require a great deal of patience, skill and understanding to master and there is CLEARLY a premium to pay for that as well as the fact that your payin for a system which will last for centuries, preserve the longevity of the building fabric and create a healthy living environment....Gypsum plastering is really all about how much u can put on as quickley as possible for as little overheads as poss and that really is all it is.......U either have the creativity in you to create an artistic soulfull piece of work or you don't....If u don't and your happy house bashing then carry on...if your not and your winging about how hard it is out there, then maybe you should be looking in to other aspects of the trade and opening your mind a bit to what others are tryin to tell you..why not LISTEN!!!..to what other fellow spreads are saying who have experienced other systems, other products, go and have a go youself and then make your judgement...don't put down the other aspects of the trade when you clearly know **** all about it chap...American clay has a market here, its completely unique to anything else on the market, u have numerous different application possibilities with the limitations being only the applicators imagination and skill..porcelina and loma are all unique in their own way, mind blowing in the right hands from what i've seen!!...it will be used by what i'd class as craftsmen and artisan plasterers who have the creativity, patience and enthusiasm to learn and master it, therefore it will remain a specialist product and will keep the divide between the house bashers squabling over the scraps of the current slave labour corporate blood suckin site agents...cummon, no wonder your so biggoted, your being bent over and done up ya jacksee on a daily basis!!!! PLEASE PLEASE do not go in to teaching my friend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! god no!!!...someone who really does have a passion to learn this trade properly and pays his money should only have the best advice from a well rounded experienced plasterer with enthusiasm for teaching it, not an ex house basher who now wants to teach because he gets a steady wage and holiday pay..deal with ya life before teachin others yeah!!!..teach because thats what you want to do and its because you want to be the dogs bollox at it or don't do it!!!!
Well that told me, thanks for the lecture.
First of all, apart from me getting bummed onsite at the minute (which is what youve read on here) you dont know anything about me. As for lime plaster i have used tons of the stuff so i dont need a lesson of you about that and fibrous i wont be asking for any advice neither. Some of the work i have done in the past with my father and brothers still blows my mind even today especially restoration work i.e sculptures plaques e.t.c see my father was a fine art sculpture aswell as a plasterer. I am looking forward to teaching as i have loads to offer and i have a massive passion for PROPER plastering- not board and skim, so i thank you for your terrible criticism of someone you dont even know.
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Thank you for your heart felt comments and posts we can see a thread here, passion is paramount whist working, if you dont like what you are working on or who you are working for, get out find a new job sometimes money isnt everything life is too short down grade your expenses and love what you do.
I decided to make a change many years ago and now make more than what i did then, a great quote from Mark Twain "Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it"
I have a passion for clay plastering and make a very good living from it and not competing with the day to day plasterers...take a leap of faith and find out how this can help you!
dont loose your passion for plastering we can help inject a different angle to approach your customers. :RpS_thumbup:
Thank you for your heart felt comments and posts we can see a thread here, passion is paramount whist working, if you dont like what you are working on or who you are working for, get out find a new job sometimes money isnt everything life is too short down grade your expenses and love what you do.
I decided to make a change many years ago and now make more than what i did then, a great quote from Mark Twain "Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it"
I have a passion for clay plastering and make a very good living from it and not competing with the day to day plasterers...take a leap of faith and find out how this can help you!
dont loose your passion for plastering we can help inject a different angle to approach your customers. :RpS_thumbup:
CKJ
I like to make people think in a constructive positive way towards the trade as a whole...the sort of nonsence you write about eco products needed to be pulled apart and put straight....it clearly changed your tone in your reply, which puts a smile on my face
The main thing that got my back up is your attitude toward progressing in to teaching....Your reply states..'I am looking forward to teaching as i have loads to offer and i have a massive passion for PROPER plastering....Which is great, BUT your original post reads
im only getting £2 a metre and now i hate plastering with a passion i was gonna do the wallcrete training but i have lost total interest. i start my new job in september as a plastering lecturer as i have lost all faith in the job
ARE U FOR REAL??
I had a young lad with me last year who'd spent 2 grand of his own hard earnt cash to do a course and his story's made me want to throw up....is'nt this the basis to why our trade is being downgraded and fazed out by lets face it other allround general builders who can do just as good job as so called qualified spreads....we should all want our youth cummin up in to the trade to the best in THE WORLD!! to make an embarrasment out of the chancers and push them out the trade.....if all qualified spreads were taught properly and the results were consistent for a qualified spread i'm sure the demand would go up and the money too..
If your finish is as you say mind blowing why are you on site for £2 a metre??? If it is as u say up to that standard maybe u need to have a think about what other areas need improving on in order to get consist work BEFORE teaching others!!!!
I like to make people think in a constructive positive way towards the trade as a whole...the sort of nonsence you write about eco products needed to be pulled apart and put straight....it clearly changed your tone in your reply, which puts a smile on my face
The main thing that got my back up is your attitude toward progressing in to teaching....Your reply states..'I am looking forward to teaching as i have loads to offer and i have a massive passion for PROPER plastering....Which is great, BUT your original post reads
im only getting £2 a metre and now i hate plastering with a passion i was gonna do the wallcrete training but i have lost total interest. i start my new job in september as a plastering lecturer as i have lost all faith in the job
ARE U FOR REAL??
I had a young lad with me last year who'd spent 2 grand of his own hard earnt cash to do a course and his story's made me want to throw up....is'nt this the basis to why our trade is being downgraded and fazed out by lets face it other allround general builders who can do just as good job as so called qualified spreads....we should all want our youth cummin up in to the trade to the best in THE WORLD!! to make an embarrasment out of the chancers and push them out the trade.....if all qualified spreads were taught properly and the results were consistent for a qualified spread i'm sure the demand would go up and the money too..
If your finish is as you say mind blowing why are you on site for £2 a metre??? If it is as u say up to that standard maybe u need to have a think about what other areas need improving on in order to get consist work BEFORE teaching others!!!!
Im thinking this thread like many others on the forum has gone up a completely different path from what it was intended.
Welcome to the Forums Clayplasterman, for me right now I have reached a time in my career where I really wanna try and push these new systems. Like many getting bored of the day in day out plastering, I love what I do alot and I can do a lovely job and been on some nice jobs for some rich people, but it is still the same thing no matter how nice a job they are all the same. For me it would be like doing something different and of course it is, if I can find the time I may enquire about a course in this as one of the builders I do work for does now and then some work in some really old places that this just might fit in. But right now I will be concentrating on a course on K Rend, I have done it before but only done some small meterage in London just chucked and told to do it where I would like to learn properly. After that I was gonna consider Venetian/Marble but maybe I will do this instead.
Welcome to the Forums Clayplasterman, for me right now I have reached a time in my career where I really wanna try and push these new systems. Like many getting bored of the day in day out plastering, I love what I do alot and I can do a lovely job and been on some nice jobs for some rich people, but it is still the same thing no matter how nice a job they are all the same. For me it would be like doing something different and of course it is, if I can find the time I may enquire about a course in this as one of the builders I do work for does now and then some work in some really old places that this just might fit in. But right now I will be concentrating on a course on K Rend, I have done it before but only done some small meterage in London just chucked and told to do it where I would like to learn properly. After that I was gonna consider Venetian/Marble but maybe I will do this instead.
Nearly 2 years ago I was offered a job to teach in one of these prospects colleges, I am glad I turned it down as I am not really a teacher, have always had a hard time getting people to listen to me properly and also if I can ride this recession out I look forward to what warrior says about the boom in the trade.
Could you not just paint it with mineral silicate paint ?.....Also, how does it set ?
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Sure unlike traditional paints silicate paints penetrate into the substrate (clay) and thus by chemical reaction will create a permanent bond also forming a microporous coating which is breathable and water resistant but why would you we have over 110 colour and they can easily be applied with very little effort if the client gets bored of the colour.
Clay plaster dosent set as normal plaster i.e. multi finish, Gypsum has a chemical set as it returns back to its natural form, clay plaster relies on a mechnical set i.e. compression with a plastic trowel similar to when you're over polishing your finishing plaster so it shines.
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