F**ckin useless C***ing labourers!!

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hector said:
i had one labourer mixing sand and cement in a mixer all morning with my van right beside it,the van was covered,he never had the sense to come and ask me to move my van just continued mixing,that was his first and last job with me,then i had my brother with me for a few months and he was thick could not think for himself at all, had to constantly tell him all the time,last straw was i was just leaving the house to go and pick him up, and the phone rang he says he can not come today as was going to a surprise party later that day,this was 7.30am in the morning ,where do i get another labourer that time of the day, i was not a happy bunny especially after i had told him on numerous occasions if you dont want to work no problem just let me have plenty of warning so i can get somebody else,so the 2 previous days he had worked with me that week i just never paid him,it was the only way he was going to learn
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Were you at the SURPRISE party, was it for you? funny if it was
 
Hector ,with respect ,when it comes to new labourers , sometimes you have to nurse them a bit ,they will make mistakes ,because it is new to them ,like your van ,it was only a matter of saying " make sure the mixer points away from the van " .If however it is a lad that has been in the game a long time ,..kill him !
 
kebab king said:
Your just a moaning bunch of T***s, get your finger out , do the graft yourself and keep all the dosh for your self.Fook all this picking up, dropping off and breaking tools.Then come on hear all night moaning about it.Sounds like too much energy too me.
I like to have my plaster mixed how i like it, my tools kept clean the way i like them and if any fooker goes in the back of my van and upsets how i have everything, or gets the front dirty i really get the hump.
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It's about bringing lads into the trade properly jj and being a substitute mother for 10 years not going on a 4 week course for 2 grand and having a breakdown after
 
Rigsby said:
No, not on rendering the old way. Hacking render off and shoveling it into a skip. Mixing gobbo in a mixer and carrying it up onto a scaffold by the bucket full. Doing rendering is heavy enough but mixing and carrying? Wear somebody else's back out and save your own. I spend all day on the trowel (well did before the tennis elbow) earning the coin, I have no time for unproductive labouring, get some monkey in to do it.

Government is expecting us to do this **** till were 66.
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Absoulte fkin b*ll***s, price the job right and bring in proper help, nit some numpty who will fukoff when the going gets tough.
 
spunky said:
It's about bringing lads into the trade properly jj and being a substitute mother for 10 years not going on a 4 week course for 2 grand and having a breakdown after
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Spunky ,so well said mate ,i get so pissed off ,the way some in the trade talk about labours ,we were all one once FFS :RpS_cursing:
 
we where all labs at one point , My story lol i was16 left school did not know what todo went to college did sport and fitness what a waste lol ! finshed that 1 year course got a job in a bar 17 i also worked with my dad at weekends hes a joiner., thought to myself where is my life going i was on 5.60 an hour you can do fuckall with that my dad got me in with a plasterer i had to be at this plasterers house 6 am 7 days a week most weeks had to mix clean off help put on first day. i was on 40 a day thats a lot fora lab who knows fuk all about plastering. end off it all 20 year old nearly got deposit for a house earning 120 a day. but i know so many labs who just think why the fuk should i work for 40 quid i do more than him but at the end of it you are getting tought a trade and should be greatful. sorry about all the writing find it hard to get it allout lol and it probly dont make sense i will rewrite it tomorrow night before i have a drink lol .
 
keithuk said:
Spunky ,so well said mate ,i get so pissed off ,the way some in the trade talk about labours ,we were all one once FFS :RpS_cursing:
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Not stricktly true, if you started a proper apprentice with a skilled tradesmen he did`nt treat you as laborer.I have no issues with labourers, just the moaning fukers who come on here and slate them.When was the last time anyone ever come on and say how good my new labourer is.So if there really that bad why bother.
 
kebab king said:
Not stricktly true, if you started a proper apprentice with a skilled tradesmen he did`nt treat you as laborer.I have no issues with labourers, just the moaning fukers who come on here and slate them.When was the last time anyone ever come on and say how good my new labourer is.So if there really that bad why bother.
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because there to lazy to teach there labouers to clean mix sweep aim mixer at a sensible place give a little praze they will try harder I rekon if there dumb after a few weeks beat them
 
kebab king said:
Not stricktly true, if you started a proper apprentice with a skilled tradesmen he did`nt treat you as laborer.I have no issues with labourers, just the moaning fukers who come on here and slate them.When was the last time anyone ever come on and say how good my new labourer is.So if there really that bad why bother.
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This is true i started as an apprentice and we had labourers so didnt need to learn how to mix, clean up or anything else a labourer is supposed to do, straight into plastering was one of the best apprenticeships about.
 
Yeh my old boss told me you had labourers and apprentices. So would you just start plastering on your first day?
 
If you're after decent labourers try green apprentices in Liverpool, we'd all have killed for an opportunity to get on site. All lads who have passed interviews, tests etc just to be given a chance at being an apprentice.
 
flynnyman said:
This is true i started as an apprentice and we had labourers so didnt need to learn how to mix, clean up or anything else a labourer is supposed to do, straight into plastering was one of the best apprenticeships about.
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an apprentice plasterer just learned to plaster straight away. if a labourer touched a trowel he was soon told what his position was, and what his work entailed!
 
I was a labourer first and I believe that is the best way to learn, I mean how can you just start putting on without know how to mix?? When to mix?? To tape and bead? PVA? Whenever I have a lab or app, they learn how to mix first, then tape, then bead. Then drill it in to them... Scrape, tape/PVA and bead. The fella who trained me up was 48 at the time and he said all he did for 18 month was mix and get the plaster off the spot board an on to the hawk/handboard without getting it everywhere! I had to mix for 3 spreads by hand (stick and podger) for 4 months, before they let me use the drill, at the time I thought they were ***** but now I understand why, If you have never mixed by hand how will you ever know how?

its only after you get the mixing, taping, beading, pvaing right that you can start learning how to put on. I couldn't take an apprentice on to just make a mess for 6 months and me lose money stopping an sorting his mess.
 
I started out a labourer aswell after dropping out of my A levels, before getting an appreticeship, learn from the bottom up.
 
same way i was taught even down to the using a mixer, not allowed till i could get it perfect every time all the time and have no one waiting for gear, only then i was allowed to use a mixer and if i fooked up a mix or anyone was waiting whilst i was using the mixer i was giver the podger for the rest of the week, made sure that i appretciated the mixer
 
jrplastering said:
same way i was taught even down to the using a mixer, not allowed till i could get it perfect every time all the time and have no one waiting for gear, only then i was allowed to use a mixer and if i fooked up a mix or anyone was waiting whilst i was using the mixer i was giver the podger for the rest of the week, made sure that i appretciated the mixer
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Indeed think I'm too soft on app/labs these days letting them use a paddle, maybe I should go back to the roots and see if I get better results from them...
 
I was took on for a 4 year apprenticeship but was not allowed to touch a trowel for the first 18 months. Well I say not allowed, I was either a labourers assistant if one was on the job or laboured for the plasterer I was put with.

The youngest plasterer was 48 and he let me have a go when he was on his own but turned bitchy when another spread was on the job. The other spread was in their 60's and didn't like youth except for one. Albert Bailey. He had his lab leave him and I was put with him for the next 5 months before he retired. He had me labour for him and then insisted I gave him a hand as he would not tolerate me stood watching. In my 4 years he was the only man that taught me. When he retired and was put with the others (the 48 year old had dropped dead by this time whilst rubbing a wall up) I worked on my own and was virtually self taught. Albert taught me a lot in his 5 months so it was just gaining speed and learning by mistakes.

I looked at that apprenticeship as a 4 year sentence and as soon as my time was up I was free. 1 month before my time was up I had took as much ignorant crap as I could take and told the 64 year foreman what I thought of him. He said I was sacked but I said he couldn't sack me because I resign.

When he died he was cremated, if he was buried I would have pissed on his grave!
 
my 1st gaffa told me all he did on site for the 1st 8 months was knock up in a bath with a rack....from 20 apprentices only 4 stayed after the 8 months
 
When I think about it my labs a good lad, hes been with us a couple of years now, hes very clean and tidy, spends his fag breaks cleaning the van, never on the phone! Hes always polite and courteous towards customers. Cracks on with any task he's given and you only have to ask him once.

Like its been said, treat them well, if they do well reward them. If we have had a good run when we're in the tool shop il give him some money to get him self some tools as a bonus. Its money well spent, he cant wait to get to work and use his own gear on the job it really is an incentive to get stuck in.

I've lost count of the amount of bone idle dickheads we got through before him though.
 
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