Float and skim pricing opinions
- Thread starter BigK
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It might not be the correct mix for background or over a mixed background which is common in older buildings. In all my years on site I think I only went on a about four jobs that were floated everything else was dabbed, they were either schools, hospitals and prisons oh and a cinema.
I thought we were talking floating I don't think they recommend it for bonding pretty sure they don't recommend it at all.
when ever i have plastered in prisons they have used bomb proof plaster, which i cannot remember the name of. a type of keenes cement plaster
have a read of the instructions on the back of a bag of bonding.
I never got a chance to use it I was released before level two
I've not got one to hand what does it say?
BigK
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Always astounds me when people say BG don't stand over this or they don't recognise the other as if they are some god like organisation.
They don't or won't recognise anything that they don't produce. i.e. Make them money
BigK
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Right malc, here's your chance, sell hardwall to the masses of Ireland.
What should IrishGypsum be saying and to whom?
I'll tell you one thing, they shouldn't be going around telling people lies that they will get a job done cheaper!!
algeeman
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I cant remember ever getting less than £7 a metre for s&c...the most was £10.
The most ive got for hardwall is £8.50
The least ive done is £5....but only for 3 days !! (Never again).
As a subby I suppose id expect a little more for s&c as wouldnt want to labour on my own with it on a larger project...but I could labour on my own with hardwall.
There is more labouring involved with s&c....getting mixes in next to walls/washing all skimmed angles/
Then again so is hardwall ..loading bags/continous running water (not flooding).
I guess its all a fuuucking headache and should be £20 a metre !!!
The most ive got for hardwall is £8.50
The least ive done is £5....but only for 3 days !! (Never again).
As a subby I suppose id expect a little more for s&c as wouldnt want to labour on my own with it on a larger project...but I could labour on my own with hardwall.
There is more labouring involved with s&c....getting mixes in next to walls/washing all skimmed angles/
Then again so is hardwall ..loading bags/continous running water (not flooding).
I guess its all a fuuucking headache and should be £20 a metre !!!
Orangemachineman
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What if the house is internal lightweight blocks?
Hard wall would be better?
BigK
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Good point Bobby, another reason they are struggling to push it over here is that.... Concrete blocks rule over here
jamesthefirst
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I thought you already had hardwall plaster but it was called hardcoat?
Is hardwall the same as in england? Are they trying to replace hardcoat?
Is hardwall the same as in england? Are they trying to replace hardcoat?
nickelarse
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This post is f**k**g mental. You can float and set a s**t load more in sand and cement that you can hardwall and set. Sand and cement is a better material and easier to use. Personally I'd charge more for hardwall because it is complete and utter shite
nickelarse
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U haven't lived
nickelarse
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Sand and cement is for real men
keithuk
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think most of us that remember it, loved it !!
BigK
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I'm with you 100% brother!!
Although don't mind using hardwall myself but to say you get more work done/ground covered is pure folly!!
BigK
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That's right James, it is called hardcoat, but it's rarely used here and they are doing their level best to push it atm.
Ggrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!
i know very little about ireland, although my wife was born in ulster .
hardwall or hardcoat if it is the same plaster, i know that the carlite finish used in ireland is not the same carlite finish that we used in england.
in england we use a medium suction block ,if i was to float on concrete block with low suction i may float all day and skim the next day, we do this sometimes, just give the backing a light spray of water before we set. then skim and trowel up a couple of walls a time, the english carlite finish skims hardwall well.
hardwall is a lightweight plaster with good insulating properties, ideal for high rise properties.
some plasterers do not like to use hardwall , it has some chemicals in it which makes you sinus run, and you sleep like a log after using it. i have used carlite / hardwall a lot it is a simple plaster to use.
when we worked for a large plastering co. we alway received extra money for hardwall/ carlite plastering.
oh, i thought that you may have a stack in the lounge!
f**k me mate that's brutal
using hardwall you can float in the morning, skim in the afternoon therefore finishing an area quicker.
Orangemachineman
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Who gives a f**k about real men its all about profit here
Hardwall through a machine in the morning.skim it in the afternoon
Money in the back pocket
Hardwall through a machine in the morning.skim it in the afternoon
Money in the back pocket
BigK
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Jesus malc we are well aware of that, what I am saying is that you wouldn't get more metres completed in total using hardwall over s&c.
In fact another detriment of hardwall is that it takes a lot longer to dry than s&c.
BigK
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How much would you put on with the machine Bobby? With skimming in afternoon? With how many men of course....
Just roughly like, on housing.
Orangemachineman
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I've got to be honest I have only used hard wall on 1 job with my Ritmo and it was renovation work so only around 50m2 a day
I'd never go back hand balling render & set work
@wiganlad has done tons of it with his machine
Orangemachineman
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I prefer to get it boarded then skim out really